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Now that the order of death has been established:
« on: July 26, 2014, 11:35:AM »
Okay, the 25 bullets fired seems to make sense then.

The four shots to Nevill were after he was already dead or at least immobilised.

10 shots were fired.
The rifle was reloaded and four shots fired.
The rifle was reloaded with a bullet already in the breach.

That makes 25, the maths work at least.

It is now beyond doubt that the order of shots is as follows:

The first 10 shots were in the master bedroom, 4 shots to Nevill and 6 shots to June.

The rifle was reloaded in the kitchen and four shots were to Nevills head in the kitchen.

The partially full magazine was reloaded, with a bullet already in the breach, the rifle now contained 11 bullets.

These 11 bullets were distributed as follows: 8 to the twins, 1 more to June and 2 to Sheila.
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Given the above, what impact does that have on who may be responsible?

(Just humour me if you disagree with the order  :D ).
« Last Edit: July 26, 2014, 12:30:PM by Harters »

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Re: Now that the order of death has been established:
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2014, 11:46:AM »
So why wasn't Sheila downstairs phoning for the police while Neville and June were each getting shot upstairs.? An agile girl,3 flights of stairs, dial 999,done ? Easy peasy.

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Re: Now that the order of death has been established:
« Reply #2 on: July 26, 2014, 12:05:PM »
So why wasn't Sheila downstairs phoning for the police while Neville and June were each getting shot upstairs.? An agile girl,3 flights of stairs, dial 999,done ? Easy peasy.

One flight of stairs was blocked with debris, one was locked, the other led to the only working phone where JB was located.
Also given the fact the boys were still asleep it's quite possible that Sheila was also, or maybe she only got as far as June's body and no further.
I'm not sure what agility has to do with anything, but she has never to my knowledge been described as agile.

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Re: Now that the order of death has been established:
« Reply #3 on: July 26, 2014, 12:07:PM »
So why wasn't Sheila downstairs phoning for the police while Neville and June were each getting shot upstairs.? An agile girl,3 flights of stairs, dial 999,done ? Easy peasy.

I think one you would be frozen with fear and secondly your first instinct would be to rush and try and protect your children?

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Re: Now that the order of death has been established:
« Reply #4 on: July 26, 2014, 12:12:PM »
It is now beyond doubt that the order of shots is as follows:

The first 10 shots were in the master bedroom, 3 shots to Nevill and 7 shots to June.

The rifle was reloaded in the kitchen and four shots were to Nevills head in the kitchen.

The partially full magazine was reloaded, with a bullet already in the breach, the rifle now contained 11 bullets.

These 11 bullets were distributed as follows: 8 to the twins, 1 more to June and 2 to Sheila.
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Given the above, what impact does that have on who may be responsible?

(Just humour me if you disagree with the order  :D ).

That's one shot too many for June?
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Re: Now that the order of death has been established:
« Reply #5 on: July 26, 2014, 12:15:PM »
I think one you would be frozen with fear and secondly your first instinct would be to rush and try and protect your children?





Of course,as I'd first said,by shielding them,throwing the bedclothes over them,or taking them out of that room and into yours.

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Re: Now that the order of death has been established:
« Reply #6 on: July 26, 2014, 12:23:PM »
That's one shot too many for June?

Read again. ;)

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Re: Now that the order of death has been established:
« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2014, 12:30:PM »
That's one shot too many for June?

Bah, yes you are as usual correct.  >:(

The first shots should be 6 to June and 4 to Nevill  :-[

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Re: Now that the order of death has been established:
« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2014, 12:32:PM »
Read again. ;)

Seven shots plus one is eight? Am I missing something, June was shot seven times right?
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Re: Now that the order of death has been established:
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2014, 12:34:PM »
It is now beyond doubt that the order of shots is as follows:

The first 10 shots were in the master bedroom, 4 shots to Nevill and 6 shots to June.

The rifle was reloaded in the kitchen and four shots were to Nevills head in the kitchen.

The partially full magazine was reloaded, with a bullet already in the breach, the rifle now contained 11 bullets.

These 11 bullets were distributed as follows: 8 to the twins, 1 more to June and 2 to Sheila.
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Given the above, what impact does that have on who may be responsible?

(Just humour me if you disagree with the order  :D ).

Numbers corrected.

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Re: Now that the order of death has been established:
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2014, 12:35:PM »
Numbers corrected.

Thought I was going mad there!  ;D
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Re: Now that the order of death has been established:
« Reply #11 on: July 26, 2014, 12:36:PM »
Thought I was going mad there!  ;D

No, just me lol.  :D

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Re: Now that the order of death has been established:
« Reply #12 on: July 26, 2014, 12:52:PM »
Bah, yes you are as usual correct.  >:(

The first shots should be 6 to June and 4 to Nevill  :-[
You say that Nevill received 4 shots in the bedroom? Wouldn't this have rendered him incapable of putting up any kind of fight with anybody? Perhaps even the fight might have therefore been one sided?

Also how can you be sure that the shots were distributed consecutively in the bedroom? The killer may have returned to "finish off" June?

Again if the children were shot last wouldn't there have been the danger of then waking up? Scipio said that if that was so then  Nevill and June would have woken up. Well maybe that is exactly what happened, since they were both found out of their bed? The children on the other hand were apparently sleeping soundly and undisturbed.
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Re: Now that the order of death has been established:
« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2014, 01:00:PM »
It was common sense for Jeremy to enter the main bedroom fully loaded. The facts prove he did this. All eleven shots being fired. 

After the eleven shots Neville then got downstairs where a ferorcious battle took place. But how & why did Neville get downstairs ? 

Jeremy may have felt eleven bullets would be enough for June & Neville. Giving him time to get downstairs & reload. He thought they would be dead or immobilised. However Neville was badly injured but not dead. Perhaps he managed to get downstairs before Jeremy had reloaded, to try to prevent Jeremy returning upstairs with a loaded rifle. 

Sadly Neville ended up with black eyes, a broken nose, a broken jaw, damaged teeth, burn marks & three more bullets. 

The other suggestion is Jeremy chased Neville. But where was Neville going ? Where ever it was he would be caught. He certainly would not have time to phone the police. And wouldn't Neville fight for his & everyone else's life upstairs ? Rather than run away. 

A bullet shell was found on the stairs. Which suggests  Neville was shot on the stairs. However Jeremys supporters have suggested the shell ended up there in error. 

Do people believe Jeremy chased Neville or Neville chased Jeremy ?



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Re: Now that the order of death has been established:
« Reply #14 on: July 26, 2014, 01:03:PM »
Eleven bullets were fired in the main bedroom. 

The rifle holds 11 bullets so it is likely the rifle was emptied in one go. 

Both Neville & June would have been awake. Neville had rang Jeremy and he would have warned June. Sheila was having a major psychotic rage. 

Sheila's 7 shots into June were accurate. The extra bullets fired into June suggests she was shot first. While June was being shot 7 times, it was the perfect opportunity for Neville to do something. But he did not. He let Sheila fire 7 bullets into his wife. 

The other option is Neville was shot first. But Neville must have been moving as they were just torso shots. This was the perfect time for June to fight back, to protect her husband. Neville could have fought back as well. But no, June did nothing to assist Neville  and let herself then get shot seven times, mainly while she was in bed. Neville going downstairs and leaving Sheila to shoot June. 

Sheila could not shoot both June & Neville at the same time. But neither Neville or June tried to help each other when the gun was not being fired at them. 

Why do people think this was the case ?
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