Misconceptions About Jeremys Upbringing

[Caroline]

Putting psychopathy to one side, you suggest if guilty he's evil beyond belief. So what do you say to the torment he continues to put his victims through and the clear lack of conscience or respect concerning the memory of the murder victims?

Where did this profound immorality come from?

I don't believe his claim that 'adoption didn't bother him'. He found out about his adoption around the time he was sent off to boarding school. Coming to terms with the adoption would surely have been difficult enough - being packed off to boarding school might possibly have magnified feelings of rejection. His was later teased and called a 'bastard' after he confided in a friend about his adoption. I think these aspects were the seeds.

[Jane]

I don't believe his claim that 'adoption didn't bother him'. He found out about his adoption around the time he was sent off to boarding school. Coming to terms with the adoption would surely have been difficult enough - being packed off to boarding school might possibly have magnified feelings of rejection. His was later teased and called a 'bastard' after he confided in a friend about his adoption. I think these aspects were the seeds.

Just a fleeting thought. I wonder if he felt able to tell June and Nevill that he'd been called "Bastard" or might he have felt too ashamed, humiliated and embarrassed, maybe of using the word in front of them.

[Stephanie]

I don't believe his claim that 'adoption didn't bother him'. He found out about his adoption around the time he was sent off to boarding school. Coming to terms with the adoption would surely have been difficult enough - being packed off to boarding school might possibly have magnified feelings of rejection. His was later teased and called a 'bastard' after he confided in a friend about his adoption. I think these aspects were the seeds.

With reference to another case, they had also maintained their adoption had not affected them. In the lead up to the confession it became apparent that this was in fact untrue and they had indeed struggled with many issues relating to this, including rejection. They had suggested their victim was a representation of their adoptive mother.

I think this is what JB wants us all to believe. Personally I don't think it should be ruled out as a motivating factor.

[scipio_usmc]

With reference to another case, they had also maintained their adoption had not affected them. In the lead up to the confession it became apparent that this was in fact untrue and they had indeed struggled with many issues relating to this, including rejection.

I think this is what JB wants us all to believe.

Adoption issues definitely mess with people's heads. It creates a lot of insecurity problems.  One kid that I went to school with was adopted and he seemed to bring it up always in some way it was always on his mind almost like blacks hung up on race work race into everything and see things through racial glasses.

Jeremy's actions though are no different than actions blood children have done.  Killing siblings and parents to get the entire fortune because one is lazy and doesn't want to work anymore has to do more with one's lack of drive and lack of a work ethic.  he wanted to be a rich bigshot but didn't want to put in the effort required to achieve that on his own. 

[Jane]

Adoption issues definitely mess with people's heads. It creates a lot of insecurity problems.  One kid that I went to school with was adopted and he seemed to bring it up always in some way it was always on his mind almost like blacks hung up on race work race into everything and see things through racial glasses.

Jeremy's actions though are no different than actions blood children have done.  Killing siblings and parents to get the entire fortune because one is lazy and doesn't want to work anymore has to do more with one's lack of drive and lack of a work ethic.  he wanted to be a rich bigshot but didn't want to put in the effort required to achieve that on his own.

I agree, quite understandably I guess, with much of what you say, but there are many variables here. We have spent HOURS debating biological/adopted feelings. The bottom line is that a biological child is never going to understand what "being adopted" feels like and an adopted child is never going to experience what it feels like to be "biological."

[lookout]

Adoption issues definitely mess with people's heads. It creates a lot of insecurity problems.  One kid that I went to school with was adopted and he seemed to bring it up always in some way it was always on his mind almost like blacks hung up on race work race into everything and see things through racial glasses.

Jeremy's actions though are no different than actions blood children have done.  Killing siblings and parents to get the entire fortune because one is lazy and doesn't want to work anymore has to do more with one's lack of drive and lack of a work ethic.  he wanted to be a rich bigshot but didn't want to put in the effort required to achieve that on his own.

I don't agree with what you say about adoption. The same can happen within bio families,and it does,probably more so than adoptees,so that's a fallacy as far as I'm concerned. Children are a product of their upbringing,adopted or not,a stable background being paramount in both cases.
Adoption has NEVER been an issue with me insofar as having known adoptees, who are no different.
There has been NO insecurity problems with those that I've known,neither had they made a BIG issue out of being adopted.
However,there's nothing like how You want them to be when if fits your agenda. 

[Jane]

I don't agree with what you say about adoption. The same can happen within bio families,and it does,probably more so than adoptees,so that's a fallacy as far as I'm concerned. Children are a product of their upbringing,adopted or not,a stable background being paramount in both cases.
Adoption has NEVER been an issue with me insofar as having known adoptees, who are no different.
There has been NO insecurity problems with those that I've known,neither had they made a BIG issue out of being adopted.
However,there's nothing like how You want them to be when if fits your agenda.

I could just as well say that I don't agree with what you say about being biological. I have NO first hand experience of what it feels like and unless you are adopted you have no first hand experience of what adoption feels like. All EITHER of us know is what we are told by those who do know and my own experience of that is that every story is different.

[Stephanie]

Adoption issues definitely mess with people's heads. It creates a lot of insecurity problems.  One kid that I went to school with was adopted and he seemed to bring it up always in some way it was always on his mind almost like blacks hung up on race work race into everything and see things through racial glasses.

Jeremy's actions though are no different than actions blood children have done.  Killing siblings and parents to get the entire fortune because one is lazy and doesn't want to work anymore has to do more with one's lack of drive and lack of a work ethic.  he wanted to be a rich bigshot but didn't want to put in the effort required to achieve that on his own.

Not the best example re "blacks & race" Scipio - 

This is your opinion. I am suggesting that it (adoption) shouldn't be ruled out as a factor in this particular case. I can't imagine JB was too happy to hear his biological father refer to him as a psychopath!? I use this as just one example.

[lookout]

 I'm saying that both categories can be insecure whether you agree or not. Adoptees or bio's,but it's not right to differentiate that adoptees have the " dirty end of the stick ",because they don't.It happens in both cases where you have a " black sheep " in a bio family when someone feels that they don't fit in.

How can you feel that it's different being adopted in the same situation as a bio ? It's exactly the same,if the situation's a bad one.

[Stephanie]

I don't believe his claim that 'adoption didn't bother him'. He found out about his adoption around the time he was sent off to boarding school. Coming to terms with the adoption would surely have been difficult enough - being packed off to boarding school might possibly have magnified feelings of rejection. His was later teased and called a 'bastard' after he confided in a friend about his adoption. I think these aspects were the seeds.

But as Caroline has pointed out, JB claimed that " adoption didn't bother him" - we are discussing a man who has been convicted of killing 5 members of his family (including his adoptive parents). It cannot be ruled out imo that adoption could have been a factor.

[Jane]

I'm saying that both categories can be insecure whether you agree or not. Adoptees or bio's,but it's not right to differentiate that adoptees have the " dirty end of the stick ",because they don't.It happens in both cases where you have a " black sheep " in a bio family when someone feels that they don't fit in.

How can you feel that it's different being adopted in the same situation as a bio ? It's exactly the same,if the situation's a bad one.

I DON'T disagree, but neither side can have any concept of what the other feels like. You ask me how can I feel that it's different being adopted in the same situation as a bio. The ONLY answer I can give is that I was TOLD I was different from biological children. I was TOLD I did bad things that REAL children didn't do, so PLEASE don't tell me that a bad situation is exactly the same, whether the child is adopted or biological. You MAY be right but I won't ever get the chance to experience it for myself.

[lookout]

I DON'T disagree, but neither side can have any concept of what the other feels like. You ask me how can I feel that it's different being adopted in the same situation as a bio. The ONLY answer I can give is that I was TOLD I was different from biological children. I was TOLD I did bad things that REAL children didn't do, so PLEASE don't tell me that a bad situation is exactly the same, whether the child is adopted or biological. You MAY be right but I won't ever get the chance to experience it for myself.

That's as maybe,but there are hundreds of children who are told that " they're different ",simply because they have a certain disease or illness as well ( which I think is wrong ) Where does the equality come in ? There is no need to tell any child that they're different, Special,would be the word that I'd use.
A child who is labelled different,has to then bear that stigma for the rest of its life and it's utterly wrong.
ALL children,to my mind are Special,but there are those who are a bit more so. Different is a horrible word.

[Stephanie]

That's as maybe,but there are hundreds of children who are told that " they're different ",simply because they have a certain disease or illness as well ( which I think is wrong ) Where does the equality come in ? There is no need to tell any child that they're different, Special,would be the word that I'd use.
A child who is labelled different,has to then bear that stigma for the rest of its life and it's utterly wrong.
ALL children,to my mind are Special,but there are those who are a bit more so. Different is a horrible word.

I wouldn't refer to JB as 'special?'

[lookout]

I wouldn't refer to JB as 'special?'

I didn't say he was !! I was talking about adopted children in general and how their parents perceive them as being as opposed to " different ".

[Stephanie]

I didn't say he was !! I was talking about adopted children in general and how their parents perceive them as being as opposed to " different ".

I thought we were discussing JB? This is the JB forum.

I can see this becoming personal and going off the thread topic. I think we should stick to opinions regarding JB and his adoption.