Jeremy Bambers Injuries

[lookout]

 You worship the haggis up there. And Famous Grouse.

[susan]

lookout not the grouse that runs through the heather

[lookout]

 Ach no,the liquid gold type of grouse.

[ngb1066]

I must admit the story doesn't ring true to me? I can't see the point if shooting the rabbit in the evening either? I shouldn't think there was much damage they could do around the house anyway?

Farmers regard rabbits as vermin in the same way as rats.  It is commonplace to shoot them as the opportunity arises.  The evening and early morning arte the favourite times as that is when the rabbits tend to emerge from their burrows to feed.

[Jan]

Farmers regard rabbits as vermin in the same way as rats.  It is commonplace to shoot them as the opportunity arises.  The evening and early morning arte the favourite times as that is when the rabbits tend to emerge from their burrows to feed.

exactly.

[No-Bits]

Farmers regard rabbits as vermin in the same way as rats.  It is commonplace to shoot them as the opportunity arises.  The evening and early morning arte the favourite times as that is when the rabbits tend to emerge from their burrows to feed.

Would you shoot so close to the house, when children were in bed?

Also, Curiousessex seemed to think it would be pointless without the sound moderator attached?

[lookout]

 Reading an anti-Bamber book even states that Jeremy preferred beating to shooting. In a way,that doesn't bode well with him leaving the kitchen with his rifle " because he heard rabbits ",does it ?.

[No-Bits]

Reading an anti-Bamber book even states that Jeremy preferred beating to shooting. In a way,that doesn't bode well with him leaving the kitchen with his rifle " because he heard rabbits ",does it ?.

I've never heard of anybody beating rabbits before? 

[lookout]

I've never heard of anybody beating rabbits before? 

Not the way they run,anyway. Now no breaking into song.

[grahameb]

Farmers regard rabbits as vermin in the same way as rats.  It is commonplace to shoot them as the opportunity arises.  The evening and early morning arte the favourite times as that is when the rabbits tend to emerge from their burrows to feed.

Yes I've seen them myself. Commonplace when you live in the countryside as you know yourself. But I wasn't away that there was anything to eat in the farm yard? The like to get into the grass in the fields. I would have thought if Bamber went out with a loaded gun that evening he wouldn't have just half heartedly looked around and then given up. Especially as he had spent all that time loading up the gun. Also how many times have you actually "heard" rabbits? Farmers "look" for them. Rats I can understand, you get them in and around farmyards all the time. How did Jeremy think he heard rabbits in particular? It may even have been a fox? If it was then surely a shotgun would have been a far more appropriate weapon to take out?

[Jan]

Would you shoot so close to the house, when children were in bed?

Also, Curiousessex seemed to think it would be pointless without the sound moderator attached?

If you were pointing it away from the house , yes.

And perhaps because he did not have the moderator on that is why he did not shoot them? Cant remember now whether they had gone by the time he got outside anyway.

Considering the guns that did appear to be round the house you could say the same about Neville . they did not seem to be 100% gun safe did they.

But as said before I don't think that was uncommon in the 80s

[scipio_usmc]

Yes I've seen them myself. Commonplace when you live in the countryside as you know yourself. But I wasn't away that there was anything to eat in the farm yard? The like to get into the grass in the fields. I would have thought if Bamber went out with a loaded gun that evening he wouldn't have just half heartedly looked around and then given up. Especially as he had spent all that time loading up the gun. Also how many times have you actually "heard" rabbits? Farmers "look" for them. Rats I can understand, you get them in and around farmyards all the time. How did Jeremy think he heard rabbits in particular? It may even have been a fox? If it was then surely a shotgun would have been a far more appropriate weapon to take out?

Sometimes he said he saw rabbits other times he claimed he heard rabbits.  That discrepancy alone is suspicious. Why would you ever claim to have heard them you would always says you saw them if that were what happened.

Nevill was known to use a .410 shotgun on rabbits, Jeremy wan't known to shoot animals at all.  I don't think he cared about the farm enough to kill vermin in order to protect it. The only thing I think he would protect is his pot plants.  So that is yet another problem I have with the story.  The staged bullets are perhaps the biggest problem though.  The crafyt Jeremy never managed to think up a lie for that one, not even to this day!

There are only 2 possiiblities to that one:

1) Jeremy lied,  used a different ammunition source and then staged the 30 bullets after the murders
2) The killer used 20 rounds from that batch thus 30 remained and used 5 rounds from another ammunition source.

I can't see Sheila going to the closet and getting 5 extra bullets either before or during the course of the murders, it doesn't make any sense.  So option 1 looks to be the truth.  If he staged the bullets after the murders he had ot be the killer.  If he staged them at all why should we believe the tale about the rabbits since this in part and parcel of it?

It is like dominoes when one falls you have a problem. 

[Jane]

Sometimes he said he saw rabbits other times he claimed he heard rabbits.  That discrepancy alone is suspicious. Why would you ever claim to have heard them you would always says you saw them if that were what happened.

Nevill was known to use a .410 shotgun on rabbits, Jeremy wan't known to shoot animals at all.  I don't think he cared about the farm enough to kill vermin in order to protect it. The only thing I think he would protect is his pot plants.  So that is yet another problem I have with the story.  The staged bullets are perhaps the biggest problem though.  The crafyt Jeremy never managed to think up a lie for that one, not even to this day!

There are only 2 possiiblities to that one:

1) Jeremy lied,  used a different ammunition source and then staged the 30 bullets after the murders
2) The killer used 20 rounds from that batch thus 30 remained and used 5 rounds from another ammunition source.

I can't see Sheila going to the closet and getting 5 extra bullets either before or during the course of the murders, it doesn't make any sense.  So option 1 looks to be the truth.  If he staged the bullets after the murders he had ot be the killer.  If he staged them at all why should we believe the tale about the rabbits since this in part and parcel of it?

It is like dominoes when one falls you have a problem.

Why is seeing/hearing rabbits such a problem? As Jeremy was surrounded by them on a daily basis, as are all farmers, I can only think it was a slip of the tongue because it's almost too stupid to be otherwise. Do rabbits bark? Do they sing like birds or miaow like cats? How in God's name can one HEAR rabbits........................unless they wear hobnail boots around WHF? I find it hard to believe that someon e bought up with the little blighters would make such an error.

[scipio_usmc]

Why is seeing/hearing rabbits such a problem? As Jeremy was surrounded by them on a daily basis, as are all farmers, I can only think it was a slip of the tongue because it's almost too stupid to be otherwise. Do rabbits bark? Do they sing like birds or miaow like cats? How in God's name can one HEAR rabbits........................unless they wear hobnail boots around WHF? I find it hard to believe that someon e bought up with the little blighters would make such an error.

Rabbits chatter, whine and actually cry.  I heard one crying when a cat was killing it.  But mostly the noise they make is from moving through brush. You hear sticks and the laaves ruffling.  To say he could hear them from the distance is rather ridiculous and to sometimes say hear and sometimes see suggests he was making  it up.  But many other aspects also suggest such. 

[Caroline]

Rabbits chatter, whine and actually cry.  I heard one crying when a cat was killing it.  But mostly the noise they make is from moving through brush. You hear sticks and the laaves ruffling.  To say he could hear them from the distance is rather ridiculous and to sometimes say hear and sometimes see suggests he was making  it up.  But many other aspects also suggest such.

You heard one cry while a cat was killing it? Didn't you try and stop the cat from killing it?