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Re: Jeremy Bambers Injuries
« Reply #45 on: July 15, 2014, 10:53:PM »
Yet Sheila could?  :-\
That would work both ways Mat. If your argument is that Bamber could beat Ralph without receiving injuries then the same goes for Sheila. I've know mentally ill people go into a rage and become twice as strong as they normally are.

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« Reply #46 on: July 15, 2014, 10:54:PM »
Grahame did Mugford give police any information about Jeremy having any injuries?  There is no way Jeremy could have been involved in a battle with Neville and not had a mark on him

Is there anything in police statements on this forum?
Mugford never reported any injuries on Jeremy Jackie.

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« Reply #47 on: July 15, 2014, 10:54:PM »
Grahame did Mugford give police any information about Jeremy having any injuries?  There is no way Jeremy could have been involved in a battle with Neville and not had a mark on him

Is there anything in police statements on this forum?

This is one of the statements that shows how irrational you and Grahame truly are.  I am aaccused of having selective hearing when in fact you are just projecting because that is exactly what you are engagaing in.

There is no way tall, stong  Jeremy could not be wounded in the struggle over the weapon with his father, but skinny short Sheila could engage in such struggle without getting a scratch on her.  Do you even think before you post? 

In the meantime the reality is that the killer had to have blood spatter from Nevill after such bludgeoning but Sheila had none.  Jerey went home and changed hence why he had none visible when police saw him. 

 

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Re: Jeremy Bambers Injuries
« Reply #48 on: July 15, 2014, 11:05:PM »
This is one of the statements that shows how irrational you and Grahame truly are.  I am aaccused of having selective hearing when in fact you are just projecting because that is exactly what you are engagaing in.

There is no way tall, stong  Jeremy could not be wounded in the struggle over the weapon with his father, but skinny short Sheila could engage in such struggle without getting a scratch on her.  Do you even think before you post? 

In the meantime the reality is that the killer had to have blood spatter from Nevill after such bludgeoning but Sheila had none.  Jerey went home and changed hence why he had none visible when police saw him. 

 
You my dear scipio are just guessing. You really have no idea of what people are capable of do you. Ralph was by your own scenario already wounded badly with two or three bullets in him. Also you said he had a broken arm. Those bullets alone would incapacitate him. It wouldn't take sheila much strength to finish him off. No I don't think it was a violent struggle as the prosecution suggested as Ralph was already very weak. If Bamber had no injuries and was guilty. In other words no signs of a struggle with Ralph, then exactly the same could be said of Sheila. You can have it both ways mate. And not so much of the dumb supporters either. Someone is not dumb just because they don't accept your embellished scenarios.

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Re: Jeremy Bambers Injuries
« Reply #49 on: July 15, 2014, 11:11:PM »
It is my belief that Sheila attacked her father after he had been shot

As you know Scipio it looked as if Sheila had showered and clothes with blood on were in a bucket

The type of blood could easily be identified today if they had not been destroyed
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« Reply #50 on: July 15, 2014, 11:14:PM »
You my dear scipio are just guessing. You really have no idea of what people are capable of do you. Ralph was by your own scenario already wounded badly with two or three bullets in him. Also you said he had a broken arm. Those bullets alone would incapacitate him. It wouldn't take sheila much strength to finish him off. No I don't think it was a violent struggle as the prosecution suggested as Ralph was already very weak. If Bamber had no injuries and was guilty. In other words no signs of a struggle with Ralph, then exactly the same could be said of Sheila. You can have it both ways mate. And not so much of the dumb supporters either. Someone is not dumb just because they don't accept your embellished scenarios.

Jeremy supporters try to have it both ways not me.

Jeremy did not have long nails to breka while SHeila did so while SHeila's nails would have broken under such circumstances Jeremy had no nails to break

Jeremy would have been wearing gloves thus would have mitigated any injuries that would have resulted from punching Nevill or from the rifle when stock broke esactly where the killer would have been holding it.  Sheila would not have been wearing gloves thus would have been wounded by that breka and would have had abrasions from punching Nevill.  In addiiton Sheila would have letft her prints in the blood that was on the rifle since she had no gloves while Jeremy would not since he wore gloves. 

The killer deifnitely owuld have had medium vemolicyt spatter from bludgeoning nevill it got on the rifle and wound have gotten on the killer as well.  Sheil didn't have a reaosn to change let alone opportunity to go dispose of her bloody clothing outside the house somethwere not to be found while Jeremy did have a reson to change and the ability to change upon arrivig home.

These are the salient points. 
 
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« Reply #51 on: July 15, 2014, 11:27:PM »
That would work both ways Mat.


Yeah, that's what I was trying to say to Jackie.

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Re: Jeremy Bambers Injuries
« Reply #52 on: July 15, 2014, 11:41:PM »
It is my belief that Sheila attacked her father after he had been shot

As you know Scipio it looked as if Sheila had showered and clothes with blood on were in a bucket

The type of blood could easily be identified today if they had not been destroyed

It didn't look like she showered and changed her clothes nor would she have any rea0osn to shower and change her clothes in anticipation of suicide.

The clothes were 2 pairs of panties and leggigs all of which were stianed with blood in the crotch area.  Only a fool would try asserting this blood might have been spatter from the victims and that she wore such clothing during the murders then changed and soaked them in buckets before blowing her head off.

The clothing that would have the greatest amoun of spatter and GSR would be clothing coveringthe top of her body.  What shirt or gown was found to have blood spatter and GSR that she coudl have changed out of?

Nevill was obviusly shot 4 times upstairs on his left side then made his way to the kitchen where he tried to disarm his killer.  He struggled over control of the weapon with his killer in the precess knocking over various things.  Because the moderator was attached it was tall enough to break the ceiling lampshade.  It further scratched the aga mantle in a zigzag pattern indicative of the struggle over control as opposed to a simple lateral mark that would result from just a plain accidental brushing against it while walking or it falling.  Things were knocked around but the killer eventually gained sole control of the weapon and then began to bash Nevill with the stock.  Nevill tried to block the blows with his right arm.  His watch was torn off and defensive wounds were left on his arm.  The killer managed to bash his head in knocking him unconscious and getting covered in mendium velocity spatter. In the meantime the blows were so hard that the stock of the rifle broken exactly where one hand was holding it.  The only thing that saved his hand from damage from this break was the pair of gloves he was wearing.  With Nevill unconscious he reloaded and shot him a further 4 times killing him.

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Re: Jeremy Bambers Injuries
« Reply #53 on: July 15, 2014, 11:53:PM »
It is my belief that Sheila attacked her father after he had been shot

As you know Scipio it looked as if Sheila had showered and clothes with blood on were in a bucket

The type of blood could easily be identified today if they had not been destroyed
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Re: Jeremy Bambers Injuries
« Reply #54 on: July 16, 2014, 09:02:AM »
Two different scenarios

If the struggle involved an attack with Sheila I cannot believe Neville would have hit back because of Sheila's serious condition.

If the struggle involved Jeremy I believe his father would have fought back





Yes,,I believe his father would have walloped him,,probably for the first time in his life,which would have frightened the dickens out of him. Jeremy,to my mind,couldn't punch a hole in a wet newspaper ( sorry Jeremy ) but he didn't strike me as being a fisty-cuffs.

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Re: Jeremy Bambers Injuries
« Reply #55 on: July 16, 2014, 09:22:AM »
Jeremy supporters try to have it both ways not me.

Jeremy did not have long nails to breka while SHeila did so while SHeila's nails would have broken under such circumstances Jeremy had no nails to break

Jeremy would have been wearing gloves thus would have mitigated any injuries that would have resulted from punching Nevill or from the rifle when stock broke esactly where the killer would have been holding it.  Sheila would not have been wearing gloves thus would have been wounded by that breka and would have had abrasions from punching Nevill.  In addiiton Sheila would have letft her prints in the blood that was on the rifle since she had no gloves while Jeremy would not since he wore gloves. 

The killer deifnitely owuld have had medium vemolicyt spatter from bludgeoning nevill it got on the rifle and wound have gotten on the killer as well.  Sheil didn't have a reaosn to change let alone opportunity to go dispose of her bloody clothing outside the house somethwere not to be found while Jeremy did have a reson to change and the ability to change upon arrivig home.

These are the salient points. 
 
Time you started to think sideways old boy. Don't just tow the party line. Come at this thing from all sides.
ps: Absolutely no proof whatsoever that Jeremy did the murders and to me it is a cop out to introduce gloves just so that it fits in with your own scenario. Most of what you have is just guesswork. Why do I say that? Oh because you just don't have enough evidence to place Bamber at the scene you have to "invent" certain things in order to make your sceario work, such as gloves. Take out all your guesswork and you have nothing. As I said learn to think sideways, then perhaps there's hope that one day you might, just might be a fairly good investigator. But you cannot do that if you keep on inventing pieces of the jigsaw in order to complete the whole picture. You must work with just the available pieces and they are few.

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Re: Jeremy Bambers Injuries
« Reply #56 on: July 16, 2014, 09:24:AM »
Yeah, that's what I was trying to say to Jackie.
Jackie? Blimey! I must have had a sex change? ;D

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Re: Jeremy Bambers Injuries
« Reply #57 on: July 16, 2014, 09:27:AM »




Yes,,I believe his father would have walloped him,,probably for the first time in his life,which would have frightened the dickens out of him. Jeremy,to my mind,couldn't punch a hole in a wet newspaper ( sorry Jeremy ) but he didn't strike me as being a fisty-cuffs.


Lookout, with the injuries Nevill had sustained I imagine his balance would have been severely compromised. I don't think using his good arm to "wallop" anyone was on the cards.

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Re: Jeremy Bambers Injuries
« Reply #58 on: July 16, 2014, 09:30:AM »

Lookout, with the injuries Nevill had sustained I imagine his balance would have been severely compromised. I don't think using his good arm to "wallop" anyone was on the cards.





I was really referring from the start before any shooting began,as Neville would have unarmed Jeremy,no problem,then clouted him.

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Re: Jeremy Bambers Injuries
« Reply #59 on: July 16, 2014, 09:35:AM »
It didn't look like she showered and changed her clothes nor would she have any rea0osn to shower and change her clothes in anticipation of suicide.

The clothes were 2 pairs of panties and leggigs all of which were stianed with blood in the crotch area.  Only a fool would try asserting this blood might have been spatter from the victims and that she wore such clothing during the murders then changed and soaked them in buckets before blowing her head off.

The clothing that would have the greatest amoun of spatter and GSR would be clothing coveringthe top of her body.  What shirt or gown was found to have blood spatter and GSR that she coudl have changed out of?

Nevill was obviusly shot 4 times upstairs on his left side then made his way to the kitchen where he tried to disarm his killer.  He struggled over control of the weapon with his killer in the precess knocking over various things.  Because the moderator was attached it was tall enough to break the ceiling lampshade.  It further scratched the aga mantle in a zigzag pattern indicative of the struggle over control as opposed to a simple lateral mark that would result from just a plain accidental brushing against it while walking or it falling.  Things were knocked around but the killer eventually gained sole control of the weapon and then began to bash Nevill with the stock.  Nevill tried to block the blows with his right arm.  His watch was torn off and defensive wounds were left on his arm.  The killer managed to bash his head in knocking him unconscious and getting covered in mendium velocity spatter. In the meantime the blows were so hard that the stock of the rifle broken exactly where one hand was holding it.  The only thing that saved his hand from damage from this break was the pair of gloves he was wearing.  With Nevill unconscious he reloaded and shot him a further 4 times killing him.
This is a common practice with people who commit suicide. They want to look their best. The very fact that she was exceptionally clean is an indication that she did in fact shower before she killed herself? It is interesting also that the forensics didn't pay as much attention to the other victims as they did with Sheila, therefore were not able to compare the levels of gunshot residue on each of them. Remember also that with a rifle there is not so much residue at the stock end than there is at the barrel end? Remember also that it is strange that the gunshot residue on Sheila was "under normal". Whilst the air around her must have formally been filled with the stuff. Her hair for instance did not contain much residue. What does this tell you? Well it tells me that something was done to Sheila before she was killed when most of the residue had settled. The idea that comes to my mind is that her body and her hair must have been washed? Now of course adhering to my own rules I must submit that this is only a guess on my part. But at the same time my suggestion is equal to your own. ;)