When Does A Precedent Become Accepted As Such

[scipio_usmc]

scipio telling us about what it is like and what you typically do when you have your period! Oh well, perhaps we don´t know all about him/her, and he really is a woman or maybe even a hermaphrodite.

About this subject, I have some questions and thoughts: I always found it strange that Sheila was not wearing panties, but only a tampon. I can say that for me that would be very uncomfortable and "unsafe", especially during menstruation - the panties CAN stop the flow that the tampon does not catch, and you hurry to change the tampon AND the panties if you bleed through. Two panties and leggings would protect additionally - truth.
Could this heavy bleeding explain why she slept on top of the covers to protect as much bed-linnen as possible? It is NOT a nice thought to soil other people´s bed linnen with menstrual blood!
Did she only bring two pairs of panties? She must have expected her period since she had tampons with her - or could she have bought them while at WHF?
Still, two pairs of panties is not much to bring with you, period or not. Why didn´t she borrow panties from June?
Did she have this accident in the middle of the night and had to get up?
If she was only wearing one pair at a time, why would there be two pairs of panties soaking?  Why wouldn´t she wash the other pair of panties so it would dry, so that she could wear panties again? 

Very sloppy policework to just leave a couple of buckets with bloodied water where very bloody murders have taken place.
I know that scipio says it doesn´t matter; he is welcome to have that view, I happen NOT to share it!

Rational people:

Sheila menstruated during the day in her panties and leggings then bought tampons and used them.  She went to seep in a nightdress.

Jeremy supporters:

Sheila slept in 2 pairs of panties and leggings and then woke up and changed out of them after murdering everyone leaving them to soak in buckets right before she blew her brains out.

 

[Alias]

1) You are the one making assumptions and they are extremely improvident.  You assume that June was so much of a religious nut that she would have seen menstruating as wrong.  You have nothing at all to base such on. Menstruating women being unclean is not part of Christian doctrine.  Some sects that make up their own ultra insane doctrines assert such perhaps but not any mainstream sects.  Not even Jeremy painted June as that crazy and he was the one who insisted she was ultra religious.  The extended family and various friends denied she was a zealot they considered Jeremy to be lying and that is one of the many lies he told that made them suspicious.

2) Puttiing bloody clothing in a bucket in the kitchen to hide from June that Sheila was menstruating sounds logical to whom?

3) Leaving tampon wrapper sin the den to hide form June that Sheila was menstruating sounds logical to whom?

The fact of the matter is that you are making wild assumptions that a man has to call you out on because they are absurd for anyone to be making but especially a woman.

The 2 most common reasons for menstrual stained panties are: because the woman was unprepared for her period so didn't prepare by wearing maxis/tampons or was out of tampons/maxis so had no choice but to go without until buying more.

The notion of a woman deciding to save them instead of using them so to ruin clothes makes no sense at all.  But worse yet you suggest perhaps she refused to use the tampon until after she decided to kill herself.  She refused to use it but then stuck underwear in a bucket to soak though she was going to kill herself so would not need them anymore and inserted a tampon then killed herself. 

Your suggestions would be akin to me having 5-10 tissues left and deciding that I will wipe my snot on my shirt and save the tissues because maybe I will need the tissues even more in the future before I get a chance to go buy more.  So instead of using them all up before wreching any shirts I will ruin a shirt right away.  It doesn't matter what gender you are such suggestions are stupid.

Your female clit mutilation claims have no bearing at all on the matter and show the extent to which you are grasping at straws to try to salvage your claim that a man can't be debating this topic but quite the contrary is the case. Indeed it is men who are most grossed out by menstruation and the source of things like genital mutilation and looking down on women because they menstruate.  Women don't like menstratuion because it is a pain in the ass to endure not because of some religious notion.

Oh, but it is! Hear Catholic priests talk about women as "unclean". Listen to Lutheran priests refusing to work with female pastors. Read history books, read the Bible! I´ll help you:



Leviticus 15:19-30 ESV / 93 helpful votes

“When a woman has a discharge, and the discharge in her body is blood, she shall be in her menstrual impurity for seven days, and whoever touches her shall be unclean until the evening. And everything on which she lies during her menstrual impurity shall be unclean. Everything also on which she sits shall be unclean. And whoever touches her bed shall wash his clothes and bathe himself in water and be unclean until the evening. And whoever touches anything on which she sits shall wash his clothes and bathe himself in water and be unclean until the evening. Whether it is the bed or anything on which she sits, when he touches it he shall be unclean until the evening.


Read on yourself, I am not making this shit up! http://www.openbible.info/topics/menstruation

BTW, April, bravo for your post, #13 - very true!

[Jane]

Rational people:

Sheila menstruated during the day in her panties and leggings then bought tampons and used them.  She went to seep in a nightdress.

Jeremy supporters:

Sheila slept in 2 pairs of panties and leggings and then woke up and changed out of them after murdering everyone leaving them to soak in buckets right before she blew her brains out.

 

Tampons LEAK. FACT!!!!

[Alias]

Rational people:

Sheila menstruated during the day in her panties and leggings then bought tampons and used them.  She went to seep in a nightdress.

Jeremy supporters:

Sheila slept in 2 pairs of panties and leggings and then woke up and changed out of them after murdering everyone leaving them to soak in buckets right before she blew her brains out.

 

I don´t know how it happened - and neither do you, so stop this BS. You were driven into a corner and resort to your usual tactics when that happens: belittling people.

For your information, I am not a JB supporter, I am not convinced of his innocense - or his guilt

[scipio_usmc]

Oh, but it is! Hear Catholic priests talk about women as "unclean". Listen to Lutheran priests refusing to work with female pastors. Read history books, read the Bible! I´ll help you:



Leviticus 15:19-30 ESV / 93 helpful votes

“When a woman has a discharge, and the discharge in her body is blood, she shall be in her menstrual impurity for seven days, and whoever touches her shall be unclean until the evening. And everything on which she lies during her menstrual impurity shall be unclean. Everything also on which she sits shall be unclean. And whoever touches her bed shall wash his clothes and bathe himself in water and be unclean until the evening. And whoever touches anything on which she sits shall wash his clothes and bathe himself in water and be unclean until the evening. Whether it is the bed or anything on which she sits, when he touches it he shall be unclean until the evening.


Read on yourself, I am not making this shit up! http://www.openbible.info/topics/menstruation

BTW, April, bravo for your post, #13 - very true!

All that shows is old testament verses about men staying away from women not what the Catholic Church let alone other Christian offshoots teach.  Men having a problem with mensruation are behind the old Testament claims.  Suggesting Sheila needed to hide it from her mother for religious reaosns is absurd.  What she would want to hide would be her sleeping around so she didn't get lectures.

The suggesitons she needed to hide it from her mother was absurd.  The only way to prove otherwise is witness testimony about June having absurd views about menstruation.

[Alias]

All that shows is old testament verses about men staying away from women not what the Catholic Church let alone other Christian offshoots teach.  Men having a problem with mensruation are behind the old Testament claims. Suggesting Sheila needed to hide it from her mother for religious reaosns is absurd.  What she would want to hide would be her sleeping around so she didn't get lectures.

The suggesitons she needed to hide it from her mother was absurd.  The only way to prove otherwise is witness testimony about June having absurd views about menstruation.

Absolutely not, you clearly don´t know what you are talking about.
You say it is not in the Christian doctrine that women are regarded as unclean during menstruation - I prove to you that it is. You say, nah, it´s just in the Old Testament - I say: Is Chrisianity defined by the Old AND the New Testament? The answer is simple: Yes.

[grahameb]

All that shows is old testament verses about men staying away from women not what the Catholic Church let alone other Christian offshoots teach.  Men having a problem with mensruation are behind the old Testament claims.  Suggesting Sheila needed to hide it from her mother for religious reaosns is absurd.  What she would want to hide would be her sleeping around so she didn't get lectures.

The suggesitons she needed to hide it from her mother was absurd.  The only way to prove otherwise is witness testimony about June having absurd views about menstruation.

What you've got to bear in mind is that Moses and the tribes of Israel wandered in the desert for 40 years. There Law consisted of two parts. The moral Law and the Ceremonial Law. Those Laws also included special cleanliness laws. What not to eat and what to do to keep clean in the desert. If one person within the camp became infected with something then there was a likelihood that the who camp would have been infected, therefore these laws were strict. Nowadays people are still advised against certain unclean things and certain diseases. In order to understand these Old Testament Laws you therefore have to place yourselves in the same position as those early Israelites.
But of course when the Christian gospel came into being Christ through Grace fullfilled that law (which was a type or a symbol of things to come in Christ) and so the grace of God passed onto all men, not just the Jews. Some people  still (incorrectly in my opinion) observe those laws. The Seventh Day Adventists for example.

[Jane]

All that shows is old testament verses about men staying away from women not what the Catholic Church let alone other Christian offshoots teach.  Men having a problem with mensruation are behind the old Testament claims.  Suggesting Sheila needed to hide it from her mother for religious reaosns is absurd.  What she would want to hide would be her sleeping around so she didn't get lectures.

The suggesitons she needed to hide it from her mother was absurd.  The only way to prove otherwise is witness testimony about June having absurd views about menstruation.

It may well be as you say, MEN'S fear of it, but because of it, women have been indoctrinated with the unclean concept. It isn't necessarily spoken of overtly but the information is received in the way mothers talk, or rather DON'T talk about it. So it follows that if something is hush hush there is something not quite nice about it, but if it isn't talked about no one knows why. Many women of June's generation had peculiar names for it but could never bring themselves to give it its' proper name.

[grahameb]

Rational people:

Sheila menstruated during the day in her panties and leggings then bought tampons and used them.  She went to seep in a nightdress.

Jeremy supporters:

Sheila slept in 2 pairs of panties and leggings and then woke up and changed out of them after murdering everyone leaving them to soak in buckets right before she blew her brains out.

 

She didn't blow her brains out. It was only a .22 loaded with low velocity amunition.

[scipio_usmc]

Absolutely not, you clearly don´t know what you are talking about.
You say it is not in the Christian doctrine that women are regarded as unclean during menstruation - I prove to you that it is. You say, nah, it´s just in the Old Testament - I say: Is Chrisianity defined by the Old AND the New Testament? The answer is simple: Yes.

The New testament washes away various things fromt he Old Testament tha tis why it exists.  Jesus changed customs and beliefs hence why Jews do not adopt the New Testament.

There was 1 new Testament mention in that list I looked at but it harms the proposition asserted.  As least 2 Gospels (they missed at least 1 since I know of 2) include a miracle where a woman was suffereing from dysfunctional uterine bleeding.  Though the purity customs of the time said she should not be near men Jesus allowed him to touch her and cured her. This was a rebuke to those customs. 

The idea of uncleanlieness is not spiritual to Christians who actually know their faith it purely has to to with hygiene.  That is how it started out anyway and men in ancient societies elevated it to a spiritual level in one more of their ways to advance men over women.  It's not an accident that man was kicked out of Eden after a stupid woman gave him the forbidden fruit instead of the story being written as him being tempted and then screwing Eve by sharing it with her. The men writing the Old Testament had an agenda.     

[Alias]

It may well be as you say, MEN'S fear of it, but because of it, women have been indoctrinated with the unclean concept. It isn't necessarily spoken of overtly but the information is received in the way mothers talk, or rather DON'T talk about it. So it follows that if something is hush hush there is something not quite nice about it, but if it isn't talked about no one knows why. Many women of June's generation had peculiar names for it but could never bring themselves to give it its' proper name.

Not going to talk to scipio about this anymore - he just WANTS to be right no matter what. The fact of the matter that this "unclean" stamp still, to this day and age, does stick to girls and women. Doesn´t have to be in zealous Christian environments, just within our culture, which obviously is built on Christian "values".
Girls and women don´t talk too much about having their period, it is still a somewhat hush-hush thing. What you say, April, is absolutely true!

[Jane]

The New testament washes away various things fromt he Old Testament tha tis why it exists.  Jesus changed customs and beliefs hence why Jews do not adopt the New Testament.

There was 1 new Testament mention in that list I looked at but it harms the proposition asserted.  As least 2 Gospels (they missed at least 1 since I know of 2) include a miracle where a woman was suffereing from dysfunctional uterine bleeding.  Though the purity customs of the time said she should not be near men Jesus allowed him to touch her and cured her. This was a rebuke to those customs. 

The idea of uncleanlieness is not spiritual to Christians who actually know their faith it purely has to to with hygiene.  That is how it started out anyway and men in ancient societies elevated it to a spiritual level in one more of their ways to advance men over women.  It's not an accident that man was kicked out of Eden after a stupid woman gave him the forbidden fruit instead of the story being written as him being tempted and then screwing Eve by sharing it with her. The men writing the Old Testament had an agenda.   

Whatever happened to freedom of will? POOR Adam!! Soooooo helpless. Whatever message men were giving to women to keep the subservient, it WORKED. That message has been subtly passed down for hundreds of years. Thankfully, it may now have lost it's grip. The more open we become the less these superstitions will be part of our lives.

[Jane]

Not going to talk to scipio about this anymore - he just WANTS to be right no matter what. The fact of the matter that this "unclean" stamp still, to this day and age, does stick to girls and women. Doesn´t have to be in zealous Christian environments, just within our culture, which obviously is built on Christian "values".
Girls and women don´t talk too much about having their period, it is still a somewhat hush-hush thing. What you say, April, is absolutely true!

Thanks for the validation, Alias

[scipio_usmc]

Not going to talk to scipio about this anymore - he just WANTS to be right no matter what. The fact of the matter that this "unclean" stamp still, to this day and age, does stick to girls and women. Doesn´t have to be in zealous Christian environments, just within our culture, which obviously is built on Christian "values".
Girls and women don´t talk too much about having their period, it is still a somewhat hush-hush thing. What you say, April, is absolutely true!

The only way the suggestion would have a reasonable basis woudl be if there were evidence that June had some odd view about menstruation.  The suggestion she would have such a view based on her religion is not accurate that is outside of the mainstream by a wide margin for Christians.

I went to a Catholic grammar school and half my teachers were nuns so talking about religion is the last thing I want to do, I have little interest in discussing theology but others forced the issue.

Suggesting a woman needed to wear 2 panties because she had no paper towels to stick in her underwear and no maxi pads or tampons and thus did such to the store (thus a practical reason) is within the realm of reason.  The whole religious thing and wearing multiple panties to bed to preserve
tampons sounds crazy and at least should have some evidentiary basis before making such a suggestion.       

[Alias]

Thought I´d throw this into the mix, just for the hell of it Here is what the basis of our culture thinks about women giving birth, and the difference in "uncleanness" between giving birth to a boy and a girl (makes me furious on so many levels!)

Sorry, I found this in Danish and put it through Google Translate:

Say to the Israelites: When a woman is pregnant and gives birth to a boy, she is unclean for seven days; she is unclean as long as during her period.
[......] [. . .]
3 Genesis 12.4 In thirty-three days she must stay at home while she blood of her purifying; She must not touch anything sacred, and she can not get into the sanctuary, until her catharsis days are over.
3 Genesis 12.5 If she gives birth to a girl, she is unclean twice seven days and during her period. In sixty-six days she will stay at home because of the blood of her purifying.
3 Genesis 12,6 When her ablutions days are over and after a son by a daughter, she shall bring a yearling lamb for a burnt offering and a young pigeons or turtle dove for a sin offering; she must bring them to the priest at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting.
3 Genesis 12.7, he shall offer it before the LORD and make atonement for her; she is clean after his bleeding.
3 Genesis 12,8 But if she can not afford a lamb, she shall take two turtledoves or two young pigeons, one for a burnt offering and the other for a sin offering. In this way the priest will make atonement her; she is clean.

After giving birth..... I could vomit literally - and cry! I realize that the Old Testament has a lot of cultural value, but I would like that it would be seperated from our church and only regarded as historical documentation. As is is, this is part of our Christian doctrine.