The caravan break in. A taste for money, a taste to massacre ?

[grahameb]

The law as it stands on fraud. Scroll to the bottom to see the penalties. You will observe that fraud is not taken lightly by the police or the law courts. Mugford/Battersby cheque book fraud was anything but "minor"
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/d_to_g/fraud_act/#introduction

Sorry, forgot the link

[grahameb]

I'm sure if you walked into a police station today saying you committed a cheque book fraud that they would not consider it a "minor" offence?

[Jane]

She did not know. She did not believe him. How often are families massacred by their own son/brother/nephew ?

She knew nothing of Jeremy's idea to rob his own family until Jeremy arrived there. Then told her to wait outside.

Susan Battersby's 1984 minor cheque book fraud was brought up in court by the defence. Jeremy would have told them about it.

But it rather seems she might have believed him.

Are you saying that she went on her own to the caravan site in the middle of the night to wait for Jeremy? Let me explain that said caravan site is SEVERAL miles from Goldhanger. How might Julie have got there on her own? It's a B road with twists and bends, no street lights, no PATH!!!!! Perhaps she took a taxi.

I think we have clarified her forgery of her friend's signature on the cheque book.

[Adam]

The law as it stands on fraud. Scroll to the bottom to see the penalties. You will observe that fraud is not taken lightly by the police or the law courts. Mugford/Battersby cheque book fraud was anything but "minor"
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/d_to_g/fraud_act/#introduction

Well it was 30 years ago. It may have been minor.

It's called politics Grahame. The police looked at the big picture.

Get Julie & Susan to pay the £634.00 back. The bank do not press charges on minor fraud.  Julie can testify regarding a X5 murder trial.

As it happened the defence still brought the issue up in court.

[Jane]

Well it was 30 years ago. It may have been minor.

It's called politics Grahame. The police looked at the big picture.

Get Julie & Susan to pay the £634.00 back. The bank do not press charges on minor fraud.  Julie can testify regarding a X5 murder trial.

As it happened the defence still brought the issue up in court.

As you said, Adam, it seems the police thought if they got her off they could catch a bigger fish. If Jeremy was UNlucky it must have made her the luckiest woman alive.

[Adam]

But it rather seems she might have believed him.

Are you saying that she went on her own to the caravan site in the middle of the night to wait for Jeremy? Let me explain that said caravan site is SEVERAL miles from Goldhanger. How might Julie have got there on her own? It's a B road with twists and bends, no street lights, no PATH!!!!! Perhaps she took a taxi.

I think we have clarified her forgery of her friend's signature on the cheque book.

Oh no, she arrived at the caravan site with Jeremy. She was told to wait outside as a lookout. Jeremy had a bit of after hours business and staging to attend to.

[Jan]

She did not know. She did not believe him. How often are families massacred by their own son/brother/nephew ?

She knew nothing of Jeremy's idea to rob his own family until Jeremy arrived there. Then told her to wait outside.

Susan Battersby's 1984 minor cheque book fraud was brought up in court by the defence. Jeremy would have told them about it.

Adam

She in her own words on the night of the murder lay in bed and KNEW that he had done it. then in the next few days  she made statements defending him and  went to the morgue to see the victims.

Now personally I don't believe her statements and the ONLY excuse that I can think of for her making up all the statements was that the police CONVINCED her that they had a piece of evidence that proved he was guilty and that her "stories" would be the icing on the cake.

Because if she was telling the truth she was guilty of the Minimum charge of perverting the course of justice - result jail

And if she was telling lies , coached by EP then they put her in an extremely difficult position as her stories had to be very hard hitting and built up over a period of time  which put her involvement at the forefront of her evidence . No wonder she was so upset when giving evidence . In theory she was in a lose lose situation.

[Adam]

Adam

She in her own words on the night of the murder lay in bed and KNEW that he had done it. then in the next few days  she made statements defending him and  went to the morgue to see the victims.

Now personally I don't believe her statements and the ONLY excuse that I can think of for her making up all the statements was that the police CONVINCED her that they had a piece of evidence that proved he was guilty and that her "stories" would be the icing on the cake.

Because if she was telling the truth she was guilty of the Minimum charge of perverting the course of justice - result jail

And if she was telling lies , coached by EP then they put her in an extremely difficult position as her stories had to be very hard hitting and built up over a period of time  which put her involvement at the forefront of her evidence . No wonder she was so upset when giving evidence . In theory she was in a lose lose situation.

Even Jeremy's defence lawyers found her WS believable. Which is why they focused on the bank fraud.

She approached the police.

[Jan]

Even Jeremy's defence lawyers found her WS believable. Which is why they focused on the bank fraud.

She approached the police.

rubbish - the judge said her testimony could not be relied upon in isolation.

so in your eyes then she is only guilty of perverting the course of justice ?

[Adam]

rubbish - the judge said her testimony could not be relied upon in isolation.

so in your eyes then she is only guilty of perverting the course of justice ?

Rubbish.

I did not mention the judge. The defence lawyers said her WS had a 'ring of truth' to it.

Julie approached the police.

[Jane]

Rubbish.

I did not mention the judge. The defence lawyers said her WS had a 'ring of truth' to it.

Julie approached the police.

It seems the judge trumped it.

I suspect Julie managed to make it seem like someone else's responsibility that she went to the police.

[Adam]

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4911.0.html

These are the points the judge said in his summing up.

[Caroline]

It does not say it was Julie's idea in her WS.

Source please.

Yes, she does, go away and read it properly.

[Adam]

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=289.0

I did.

I did not see the words 'it was my idea'.

But I did see the words 'Susan & I'.

I did read the words 'Stronger influence'. But it seems like it was teenage girls misbehaving. It does happen.

[lebaleb]

Interesting that she admits they may have left Stan Jones number at the bank.