The caravan break in. A taste for money, a taste to massacre ?

[lookout]

 The jury didn't know the half of it. Though if any of them glance on this forum,they'll know now !

[Alias]

2Forgery of certain documents with, intent to defraud

(1)Forgery of the following documents, if committed with intent to defraud, shall be felony and punishable with penal servitude for life :—

(a)Any will, codicil, or other testamentary document, either of a dead or of a living person, or any probate or letters of administration, whether with or without the will annexed;

(b)Any deed or bond, or any assignment at law or in equity of any deed or bond, or any attestation of the execution of any deed or bond ;

(c)Any bank note, or any indorsement on or assignment of any bank note.


http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1913/27/body/enacted

[maggie]

I remember Grahame expressing a couple of years ago on here that he doesn't particularly like Jeremy Bamber (in so far as you disliking somebody that you dont actually know in person).  I would describe Grahame as attempting to be a 'truth supporter'.  I'm sure there are many others on here.

Exactly Roch but unfortunately Adam only believes in his own particular truth and anyone else's truths are to be mocked.

[scipio_usmc]

It wouldn't matter to me if it was Jeremy or any other man. He's been wronged by the justice system and it badly needs rectifying. I'd support Joe Bloggs if he was in the same situation.

I supported Eddie Gilfoyle because I knew him in a professional capacity,,and those of us who supported him were proved right.He too was given a raw deal by the justice system.

It is your unsupported opinion he has been wronged.

It is the opinion of most that he has not been wronged, you ar eint he minority.

The majority has facts and evidence to rely on that establish his guilt and that he got a fair trial.

The burden is on you to prove he didn't get a fair trial or is innocent to establish a MOJ occurred.

You have not a shred of evidence to establish either.   I have challenged you and other supporters repeatedly to provide evidence that he is innocent or that he did not get a fair trial.  Neither you nor anyone else has been able to provide a shred of evidence to establish either.

To be sure some have made attempts but the supposed evidence ended up not proving what they claimed it did and in many cases was thoroughly misrepresented.

Anytime I apply pressure to get a Jeremy supporter to provide the evidendiary basis for their assertions I am met with the claim that people can believe anythign they desire and have no need to justify their opinions by providing evidence.

All that states at the end of the day is that people have the right to believe something even if there is no evidence to establish it is true.

That is the case, people are free to believe anything they want but most people require evidence and the courts require evidence and if there is no evidence to prove a MOJ happened then it is not a fact it happened. 

Debates are about more than expressing unsupported opinions, debates are over evidence to establish which opinions are factually sound.

[Alias]

When I look at the comment section of articles about Jeremy Bamber, I would say that it is pretty much 50/50 what people believe about his guilt/innocense.

[scipio_usmc]

When I look at the comment section of articles about Jeremy Bamber, I would say that it is pretty much 50/50 what people believe about his guilt/innocense.

Most people who believe he is guilty do not bother to respond. If not for ridiculous claims by innocenters virtually no one who believes he is guilty would bother to respond, most responses are to correct eggregious errors.

I think the blue red forum disconnect says a lot.  Almost everyone on the red forum believes he is guilty, it is not even close. Here there are some who think he is guilty but a greater precentage who think he is innocent. Since many say they are on the fence and won't commit to a position or don't want to publicly reveal it, it is hard to tell how close the mix here truly is. I think some are afraid of being ostracized if they admit they think he is guilty. 

Combine the forums though and the innocent camp would be in the minority for sure.  It seems like that is the reason for the split. The clash got personal.   

[Alias]

Most people who believe he is guilty do not bother to respond. If not for ridiculous claims by innocenters virtually no one who believes he is guilty would bother to respond, most responses are to correct eggregious errors.

I think the blue red forum disconnect says a lot.  Almost everyone on the red forum believes he is guilty, it is not even close. Here there are some who think he is guilty but a greater precentage who think he is innocent. Since many say they are on the fence and won't commit to a position or don't want to publicly reveal it, it is hard to tell how close the mix here truly is. I think some are afraid of being ostracized if they admit they think he is guilty. 

Combine the forums though and the innocent camp would be in the minority for sure.  It seems like that is the reason for the split. The clash got personal.

You have an answer for everything and you are a master of twisting and bending facts to suit your agenda.
People who think he is guilty are very active almost thrity years after the crimes - you have to wonder why, since he GOT the strictest sentence possible and IS in jail, so what are you trying to prove? It is as you want it to be!
You can CLAIM that more pro Bambers than antis comment on the articles, but that is just a claim, nothing more.
And seriously, you cannot make a statistic on a handful of nutters on two internet forums!! BTW, I am a member on red forum, Holly is, she believes he is innocent.
What you say has no merit.

[scipio_usmc]

You have an answer for everything and you are a master of twisting and bending facts to suit your agenda.
People who think he is guilty are very active almost thrity years after the crimes - you have to wonder why, since he GOT the strictest sentence possible and IS in jail, so what are you trying to prove? It is as you want it to be!
You can CLAIM that more pro Bambers than antis comment on the articles, but that is just a claim, nothing more.
And seriously, you cannot make a statistic on a handful of nutters on two internet forums!! BTW, I am a member on red forum, Holly is, she believes he is innocent.
What you say has no merit.

You wanted to make the claim based on peopel repsonding on the net to articles.

There is no public clamoring our outpouring for Jeremy in the UK.  The most likely reason for that is because a majority do not believe he is innocent.  If he had more support this site would be far more active.  A smaller percentage of people used the internet from 1999-2010 yet the History Channel Message board had tens of thousands of people posting daily.  There were more daily UK posters in the Iraqi Freedom board than here and that was one of the least popular as far as the war boards.  The WWI, WWII and prior European War Boards had a ton of posters from the UK.  There were over 100 I can think of offhand and of course there were thousands of others from Europe.  Evne though it was an American run site it had only about 40-50 percent Americans, the remainder from other countries mainly Europe and to a lesser degree Australia but some from Asia and a few from South America and Africa.

The Napeolonic Wars commanded greater interest from Uk web users than this case, what does that say?     

[Alias]

You wanted to make the claim based on peopel repsonding on the net to articles.

There is no public clamoring our outpouring for Jeremy in the UK.  The most likely reason for that is because a majority do not believe he is innocent.  If he had more support this site would be far more active.  A smaller percentage of people used the internet from 1999-2010 yet the History Channel Message board had tens of thousands of people posting daily.  There were more daily UK posters in the Iraqi Freedom board than here and that was one of the least popular as far as the war boards.  The WWI, WWII and prior European War Boards had a ton of posters from the UK.  There were over 100 I can think of offhand and of course there were thousands of others from Europe.  Evne though it was an American run site it had only about 40-50 percent Americans, the remainder from other countries mainly Europe and to a lesser degree Australia but some from Asia and a few from South America and Africa.

The Napeolonic Wars commanded greater interest from Uk web users than this case, what does that say?   

This begs the question: why are you here? Everything is as you wish, Jeremy behind bars, not many people believing in his innocense. WHAT is it you are trying to achieve? I don´t quite get it!

[lookout]

 I doubt you'll get a straight answer,Alias.

[Alias]

I doubt you'll get a straight answer,Alias.

Perhaps not straight, but answer he will. 

[Jane]

You wanted to make the claim based on peopel repsonding on the net to articles.

There is no public clamoring our outpouring for Jeremy in the UK.  The most likely reason for that is because a majority do not believe he is innocent.  If he had more support this site would be far more active.  A smaller percentage of people used the internet from 1999-2010 yet the History Channel Message board had tens of thousands of people posting daily.  There were more daily UK posters in the Iraqi Freedom board than here and that was one of the least popular as far as the war boards.  The WWI, WWII and prior European War Boards had a ton of posters from the UK.  There were over 100 I can think of offhand and of course there were thousands of others from Europe.  Evne though it was an American run site it had only about 40-50 percent Americans, the remainder from other countries mainly Europe and to a lesser degree Australia but some from Asia and a few from South America and Africa.

The Napeolonic Wars commanded greater interest from Uk web users than this case, what does that say?   

Undoubtedly if this was current/a major part of world history, forums and tghe internet in general would be overwhelmed with it. If you weren't here at the time, you can have NO idea how big it was, but life goes on and what was SO important then has much less meaning now. The incidents of which YOU speak had far greater effect on lives that did this comparatively small, albeit tragic, local event.

[lookout]

Perhaps not straight, but answer he will. 

With a sermon. According to Scipio

[grahameb]

Most people who believe he is guilty do not bother to respond. If not for ridiculous claims by innocenters virtually no one who believes he is guilty would bother to respond, most responses are to correct eggregious errors.

I think the blue red forum disconnect says a lot.  Almost everyone on the red forum believes he is guilty, it is not even close. Here there are some who think he is guilty but a greater precentage who think he is innocent. Since many say they are on the fence and won't commit to a position or don't want to publicly reveal it, it is hard to tell how close the mix here truly is. I think some are afraid of being ostracized if they admit they think he is guilty. 

Combine the forums though and the innocent camp would be in the minority for sure.  It seems like that is the reason for the split. The clash got personal.

That's a bit of a silly claim. It has no basis in fact. Prove it.

[grahameb]

You wanted to make the claim based on peopel repsonding on the net to articles.

There is no public clamoring our outpouring for Jeremy in the UK.  The most likely reason for that is because a majority do not believe he is innocent.  If he had more support this site would be far more active.  A smaller percentage of people used the internet from 1999-2010 yet the History Channel Message board had tens of thousands of people posting daily.  There were more daily UK posters in the Iraqi Freedom board than here and that was one of the least popular as far as the war boards.  The WWI, WWII and prior European War Boards had a ton of posters from the UK.  There were over 100 I can think of offhand and of course there were thousands of others from Europe.  Evne though it was an American run site it had only about 40-50 percent Americans, the remainder from other countries mainly Europe and to a lesser degree Australia but some from Asia and a few from South America and Africa.

The Napeolonic Wars commanded greater interest from Uk web users than this case, what does that say?  

What kind of comparison is that? So does the second world war. I consider you to be an intelligent man. But every now and then you say silly things like this. Puzzling. You would probably have more people on your side if you were not so egotistic. You are knowledgeable (for an American) But then you get on one of your ego trips that gets everyone's backs up, thus defeating your object of trying to persuade everyone to come round to your views.