The caravan break in. A taste for money, a taste to massacre ?

[Adam]

Those points have already been addressed and Jeremy WASN'T a farm labourer, he was the employer's son.

Thank you.

[Steve_uk]

Maggie/steve sources please how many times does Adam have to tell you

The depiction of Jeremy as a petty thief comes from the Claire Powell book. Roger Wilkes attempted to portray his subject in a better light as he had exclusive access,but singularly fails to rid the reader of lingering suspicion or ambiguity,and really achieves very little insight into what his motivations ever were,or why he fell out with his mother so disastrously as he turned seventeen years of age..

[maggie]

Thanks.

You and Steve will have to provide you're sources.

I will recheck Wilkes's book. Soon.

I have posted my source and the fact that I believe neither steve or I can prove any of what we quote as fact, it is all hearsay so you and Steve shouldn't present your hearsay as fact and I shall not present mine.  They are all possibilities.

[susan]

Adam have we two of you on this forum just a few posts ago to lookout you said Jeremy was 24 slim and FIT or perhaps I misread that you thought he was fit in another sense

[maggie]

The depiction of Jeremy as a petty thief comes from the Claire Powell book. Roger Wilkes attempted to portray his subject in a better light as he had exclusive access,but singularly fails to rid the reader of lingering suspicion or ambiguity,and really achieves very little insight into what his motivations ever were,or why he fell out with his mother so disastrously as he turned seventeen years of age..

Much of Claire Powell's book is second hand hearsay surely?  I see you can buy it on Amazon UK for about a quid.

[Adam]

Jeremy was indeed his fathers son.  And also a farm labourer.

[Adam]

The depiction of Jeremy as a petty thief comes from the Claire Powell book. Roger Wilkes attempted to portray his subject in a better light as he had exclusive access,but singularly fails to rid the reader of lingering suspicion or ambiguity,and really achieves very little insight into what his motivations ever were,or why he fell out with his mother so disastrously as he turned seventeen years of age..

Thank you.

Mary Mugford said Jeremy never forgave June for sending him to boarding school. Her religious beliefs alienated him further. He called her a religious maniac. AE said this was not true.

[Jane]

Jeremy was indeed his fathers son.  And also a farm labourer.

I imagine his jobs description was junior manager. I very MUCH doubt that Nevill would have dreamed of describing him as a labourer.

[Steve_uk]

I imagine his jobs description was junior manager. I very MUCH doubt that Nevill would have dreamed of describing him as a labourer.

I still don't see in that case what Jeremy's grievance was,unless it's all made up and witnesses in court were lying.

[Adam]

If two different books say two different things then people just have to form their own opinions.

My view is Jeremy went to his family asking for money to travel the world. He claimed it was to broaden his mind etc. But really it was to go on a big bender. Perhaps doing some short term jobs and petty crime.  Neville & June agreed and financed this.

However when the financing stopped, the reality of life hit Jeremy. But Sheila was still being financed. . He thought he could do better than the farm. But could not. So reluctantly returned.

He soon thought of a way out....

[Adam]

I imagine his jobs description was junior manager. I very MUCH doubt that Nevill would have dreamed of describing him as a labourer.

A 14/17 hour day on his tractor on the massacre night. Seems like a labourer to me.

He had small share in the caravan business.

[scipio_usmc]

I still don't see in that case what Jeremy's grievance was,unless it's all made up and witnesses in court were lying.

He supposedly worked long days including what he told police not jsut what he told Julie.  Only he or the farm workers know if he was lying about how long he worked.  He complained about the nature of the work as well to Julie.

His grievance seemed to be not being allowed to live in London and party and instead having to work. 

[Jane]

I still don't see in that case what Jeremy's grievance was,unless it's all made up and witnesses in court were lying.

Well Steve, thus far we have VERY little, other than what others have said vociferously about what THEY'VE perceived Jeremy's grievances to be. They HAD to give him some sort of motive, didn't they?

[Jane]

A 14/17 hour day on his tractor on the massacre night. Seems like a labourer to me.

He had small share in the caravan business.

Adam, at harvest EVERYONE associated with a farm has to muck in and that includes the farmer, his wife and family. Guess you'd be calling Nevill a labourer, too, wouldn't you.

[maggie]

If two different books say two different things then people just have to form their own opinions.

My view is Jeremy went to his family asking for money to travel the world. He claimed it was to broaden his mind etc. But really it was to go on a big bender. Perhaps doing some short term jobs and petty crime.  Neville & June agreed and financed this.

However when the financing stopped, the reality of life hit Jeremy. But Sheila was still being financed. . He thought he could do better than the farm. But could not. So reluctantly returned.

He soon thought of a way out....

Think rather than forming your own opinion you should accept that you don't know the truth about who funded the holiday otherwise you are just inventing a scenario which is inaccurate.imo
It's irrelevant anyway as you keep pointing out that Sheila was getting more freebies than Jeremy and if that was true his hols being paid for would have helped even it up.