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Offline maggie

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Re: The caravan break in. A taste for money, a taste to massacre ?
« Reply #120 on: July 03, 2014, 09:14:PM »
As I said, the money suddenly stopping, but not for Sheila may have heightened his resentment.

What did he work as abroad ? Steve said he was a beach bum & involved in petty crime.
Apparently he worked on a sugar cane farm in Australia on his first trip and in various bars and restaurants on his later trip, apparently.  Have no idea where the suggestion he was involved in petty crime came from but Steve loves to quote it.  Just hearsay again as far as I can make out.

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« Reply #121 on: July 03, 2014, 09:15:PM »
A career he apparently hated.

They educated him hoping he would make something of himself. He was too lazy to so so and thus ended up working on the farm.  He hoped he would not have to do much work and just collect a paycheck for nothing. Instead he was forced to work. He was given a place to stay and car but forced to work to keep these things.  He was at the mercy of his fmaily.  If he said he wasn't workign anymore then what?

He would have to go get a job elsewhere that paid him less and he would have to pay for his own room and board to boot.  Talk about resentment feeling you are stuck in a deadend job working for your parents because they won't pay for you to live in London without having to work like your sister.

How much work would it have been for him to strike out on his own in London starting out small and working his way up to a very well paying job so that he could afford to buy his own place etc?  Far more than he wanted to do which is why he decided he wanted to work on the farm in the first place.



It's what they had him for!!! Haven't you realized that yet? He wasn't given a choice.Effectively, he was groomed.

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Re: The caravan break in. A taste for money, a taste to massacre ?
« Reply #122 on: July 03, 2014, 09:16:PM »
Maggie you must use your grey area I have told you before about this ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Sorry Susie, where is my grey area?  Don't believe I have one, I am a blondie. ;D

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« Reply #123 on: July 03, 2014, 09:17:PM »
Does anyone know the average working hours for a farm labourer ? WHF seems like quite a big farm.

I understand it is very hard work and long hours.

At the massacre time Jeremy was working 14/17 hour days. Surely that was not  going to be the case all year.
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« Reply #124 on: July 03, 2014, 09:18:PM »
I don't think Jeremy Bamber was a particularly physical child. I recall reading in some book about a knee injury he had sustained. He certainly never shone at school sports or he would have gained some credence or popularity with his peers and again this terrible alienation which he has somehow sustained throughout his life might not have taken hold. One never knows the truth of whether Nevill was a hard taskmaster or not(for example we are told Jeremy would never use the crop-sprayer or work overtime),but why no alternative career was suggested beats me.





Steve,,it was that particular day in which he'd worked for 17 hours,probably because it was harvest-time.

Now you mentioned that he wasn't " physical ",,so how do you account for the fact that after a days harvesting,that he'd pedal like billyo climb through a fanlight and then set about murdering all his family,then pedal back home ? Without the slightest hint of exhaustion,thoroughly drained and as pale as marble ?

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« Reply #125 on: July 03, 2014, 09:18:PM »
Hi Steve
I have posted already that Lomax states that Jeremy paid for his plane fare home but June insisted on reimbursing him.  Now I am sure you will say that Scott Lomax is biased and I don't know where he got this information from, it may have come from JB therefore it may or may not be true but where did your info come from? ..... Claire Powell's book? Where did she get her info from?  How can we be certain that is true either so maybe neither of us should post it as a truth just as a quote from someone else's book?  Both scenarios are possibilities and no more. ;D
But the more I read about Jeremy the more I realize there are two Jeremies,and I'm reminded of the journalist who visited him in prison and remarked that he seemed perfectly plausible,apart from the side of him that was hidden..

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« Reply #126 on: July 03, 2014, 09:20:PM »
Apparently he worked on a sugar cane farm in Australia on his first trip and in various bars and restaurants on his later trip, apparently.  Have no idea where the suggestion he was involved in petty crime came from but Steve loves to quote it.  Just hearsay again as far as I can make out.

Thanks.

You and Steve will have to provide you're sources.

I will recheck Wilkes's book. Soon.
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Re: The caravan break in. A taste for money, a taste to massacre ?
« Reply #127 on: July 03, 2014, 09:20:PM »




Steve,,it was that particular day in which he'd worked for 17 hours,probably because it was harvest-time.

Now you mentioned that he wasn't " physical ",,so how do you account for the fact that after a days harvesting,that he'd pedal like billyo climb through a fanlight and then set about murdering all his family,then pedal back home ? Without the slightest hint of exhaustion,thoroughly drained and as pale as marble ?
That's a fair point lookout,but I assume that's why some young people resort to drug-taking to tap into a reservoir of nervous energy.

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Re: The caravan break in. A taste for money, a taste to massacre ?
« Reply #128 on: July 03, 2014, 09:23:PM »






Steve,,it was that particular day in which he'd worked for 17 hours,probably because it was harvest-time.

Now you mentioned that he wasn't " physical ",,so how do you account for the fact that after a days harvesting,that he'd pedal like billyo climb through a fanlight and then set about murdering all his family,then pedal back home ? Without the slightest hint of exhaustion,thoroughly drained and as pale as marble ?

Not hard. The rewards were worth it. The motivation to do it great. It was a one off act. He was 24, slim and fit and did a physical job.

He just had to cycle at a decent pace.
« Last Edit: July 03, 2014, 09:24:PM by Adam »
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Re: The caravan break in. A taste for money, a taste to massacre ?
« Reply #129 on: July 03, 2014, 09:25:PM »


£200 a week!!! A small wage!!!! In 1985!!! Harvest historically demands long hours but it isn't like that all the time.
Exactly April, everyone round here works every hour under the sun during silage making, they are always trying t beat the weather and get it all in before the rain comes therefore they work from early morning til late at night, sometimes by car headlights into the night but it's for a short time. Jeremy may have worked 10 hours a day generally but he would have been used to that and many people work those kind of hours.  Adam, you keep telling us it was the '80s but the so called yuppies worked long, long hours without lunch breaks etc., ate badly, drank too much champagne and developed yuppie flu as it was known which became ME.  They may have bee making money but they weren't having an easy life by any means.
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Re: The caravan break in. A taste for money, a taste to massacre ?
« Reply #130 on: July 03, 2014, 09:28:PM »
Adam you made an inference earlier that Jeremy was not fit and did not excel at games.  Make thy mind up lad ;D

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« Reply #131 on: July 03, 2014, 09:29:PM »
Adam you made an inference earlier that Jeremy was not fit and did not excel at games.  Make thy mind up lad ;D

Show me the post where I said that.

Steve has suggested it on this thread. Not me.
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« Reply #132 on: July 03, 2014, 09:30:PM »
Maggie/steve sources please how many times does Adam have to tell you ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: The caravan break in. A taste for money, a taste to massacre ?
« Reply #133 on: July 03, 2014, 09:30:PM »
But the more I read about Jeremy the more I realize there are two Jeremies,and I'm reminded of the journalist who visited him in prison and remarked that he seemed perfectly plausible,apart from the side of him that was hidden..
I think you read too much into that as we all have a part of ourselves that is hidden so far as we only show what we choose to show.  Surely the journalist was just using poetic licence?

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Re: The caravan break in. A taste for money, a taste to massacre ?
« Reply #134 on: July 03, 2014, 09:30:PM »
Does anyone know the average working hours for a farm labourer ? WHF seems like quite a big farm.

I understand it is very hard work and long hours.

At the massacre time Jeremy was working 14/17 hour days. Surely that was not  going to be the case all year.


Those points have already been addressed and Jeremy WASN'T a farm labourer, he was the employer's son.