The caravan break in. A taste for money, a taste to massacre ?

[scipio_usmc]

Hi scipio, do you know Jeremy Bamber?  If you don't how are you so clued up about his personality and how jealous he was etc.?  This is all made up, second hand hearsay.  Jeremy Bamber DID have friends and still has some of them now all these years later.

I know him no better than you do but whereas you have decided to consisder anything negative a lie and refuse to believe it I consider Julie's claims to be credible and have found no evidence to suggest she lied.

She was with him before and after the murders and with him during his burglary and would be the most knowledgable position as opposed to people you prefer to listen to people who would not have known him as well and who he would not have confided in.

You have no evidence to prove Julie or the family have lied about anything. Instead of saying you believe it is lies though you have no proof you consistently state it is a fact they lied. 

I will accept they lied when someone proves it not because someone wants to believe Jeremy is innocent so it is necessary to believe they lied.

   

[Adam]

When was this?  What are you referring to?  Jeremy had a free house and car for starters, as well as a well paid job and a guaranteed career.

But was it a kit car porsche. Or a nice big house ?

He was on a small wage. Working 14 hour days. Or was it 17 hours as Lookout said ?

[maggie]

Where did you read all that Steve?  I have read something very different however, we can never know for sure which if either is closest to the truth as it is all hearsay, certainly not proven fact.

Hi Steve
I have posted already that Lomax states that Jeremy paid for his plane fare home but June insisted on reimbursing him.  Now I am sure you will say that Scott Lomax is biased and I don't know where he got this information from, it may have come from JB therefore it may or may not be true but where did your info come from? ..... Claire Powell's book? Where did she get her info from?  How can we be certain that is true either so maybe neither of us should post it as a truth just as a quote from someone else's book?  Both scenarios are possibilities and no more.

[Jane]

Use you're brain and read my other posts on this thread.

It is certain that Jeremy's long and winding trips to lots of far away and expensive countries were paid for by his parents. Jeremy obviously persuaded his parents to fund this.

But then the funding stopped. But Sheila was living rent free in London.

Jeremy had a tantrum and tried to go it alone. Working in low paid jobs. Reluctantly returning to WHF.

My God, you certainly have a bee in your bonnet about Nevill and June funding Jeremy's trips.

[Jane]

But was it a kit car porsche. Or a nice big house ?

He was on a small wage. Working 14 hour days. Or was it 17 hours as Lookout said ?

£200 a week!!! A small wage!!!! In 1985!!! Harvest historically demands long hours but it isn't like that all the time.

[Adam]

I have posted already that Lomax states that Jeremy paid for his plane fare home but June insisted on reimbursing him.  Now I am sure you will say that Scott Lomax is biased and I don't know where he got this information from, it may have come from JB therefore it may or may not be true but where did your info come from? ..... Claire Powell's book? Where did she get her info from?  How can we be certain that is true either so maybe neither of us should post it as a truth just as a quote from someone else's book?  Both scenarios are possibilities and no more.

That is where you use you're grey matter. Common sense.

The countries Jeremy went to. The time spent abroad would have cost thousands.

Jeremy could not have afforded it. Either before or after Little Chef.

[Steve_uk]

But was it a kit car porsche. Or a nice big house ?

He was on a small wage. Working 14 hour days. Or was it 17 hours as Lookout said ?

I don't think Jeremy Bamber was a particularly physical child. I recall reading in some book about a knee injury he had sustained. He certainly never shone at school sports or he would have gained some credence or popularity with his peers and again this terrible alienation which he has somehow sustained throughout his life might not have taken hold. One never knows the truth of whether Nevill was a hard taskmaster or not(for example we are told Jeremy would never use the crop-sprayer or work overtime),but why no alternative career was suggested beats me.

[susan]

Maggie you must use your grey area I have told you before about this

[maggie]

That is where you use you're grey matter. Common sense.

The countries Jeremy went to. The time spent abroad would have cost thousands.

Jeremy could not have afforded it. Either before or after Little Chef.

The trips wouldn't have cost thousands and he worked over there.  kids go abroad now, backpack all over asia  or go to Australia and New Zealand and work while they're over there.  It's what happens, believe me.
As I have just said anyway so what if June and Nevill paid for him, that was their business and you were the one who said Sheila got all the freebies well maybe they evened it up.

[scipio_usmc]

When was this?  What are you referring to?  Jeremy had a free house and car for starters, as well as a well paid job and a guaranteed career.

A career he apparently hated.

They educated him hoping he would make something of himself. He was too lazy to so so and thus ended up working on the farm.  He hoped he would not have to do much work and just collect a paycheck for nothing. Instead he was forced to work. He was given a place to stay and car but forced to work to keep these things.  He was at the mercy of his fmaily.  If he said he wasn't workign anymore then what?

He would have to go get a job elsewhere that paid him less and he would have to pay for his own room and board to boot.  Talk about resentment feeling you are stuck in a deadend job working for your parents because they won't pay for you to live in London without having to work like your sister.

How much work would it have been for him to strike out on his own in London starting out small and working his way up to a very well paying job so that he could afford to buy his own place etc?  Far more than he wanted to do which is why he decided he wanted to work on the farm in the first place.

[Adam]

The most hours I have worked in a day is 12 hours. For a short period.

You basically just go home, eat and go to bed. You have to be up early the following day. Even if you have got some energy left, you know tomorrow will be another tough day and do not want to risk under performing the following day.

On days off you are just recovering.

So basically you're life is just work.

14/17 hours would be even worse.

Jeremy in the loads of money mid 80's wanted more.

[maggie]

The most hours I have worked in a day is 12 hours. For a short period.

You basically just go home, eat and go to bed. You have to be up early the following day. Even if you have got some energy left, you do not want to risk under performing the following day.

On days off you are just recovering.

So basically you're life is just work.

14/17 hours would be even worse.

Jeremy in the loads of money mid 80's wanted more.

He probably wanted more fun as any 20 + guy would have but I'm sure for all that he did ok.  It doesn't turn you into a killer.

[Jane]

I don't think Jeremy Bamber was a particularly physical child. I recall reading in some book about a knee injury he had sustained. He certainly never shone at school sports or he would have gained some credence or popularity with his peers and again this terrible alienation which he has somehow sustained throughout his life might not have taken hold. One never knows the truth of whether Nevill was a hard taskmaster or not(for example we are told Jeremy would never use the crop-sprayer or work overtime),but why no alternative career was suggested beats me.

Steve, there was never a question of an alternative career for him. His future had been mapped out from the time they first got him.and they never gave a thought to what he might prefer. In  this I can empathize. I, too, was in the same situation.

[maggie]

A career he apparently hated.

They educated him hoping he would make something of himself. He was too lazy to so so and thus ended up working on the farm.  He hoped he would not have to do much work and just collect a paycheck for nothing. Instead he was forced to work. He was given a place to stay and car but forced to work to keep these things.  He was at the mercy of his fmaily.  If he said he wasn't workign anymore then what?

He would have to go get a job elsewhere that paid him less and he would have to pay for his own room and board to boot.  Talk about resentment feeling you are stuck in a deadend job working for your parents because they won't pay for you to live in London without having to work like your sister.

How much work would it have been for him to strike out on his own in London starting out small and working his way up to a very well paying job so that he could afford to buy his own place etc?  Far more than he wanted to do which is why he decided he wanted to work on the farm in the first place.

Doesn't make you a killer unless you have serious personality defects.

[Adam]

The trips wouldn't have cost thousands and he worked over there.  kids go abroad now, backpack all over asia  or go to Australia and New Zealand and work while they're over there.  It's what happens, believe me.
As I have just said anyway so what if June and Nevill paid for him, that was their business and you were the one who said Sheila got all the freebies well maybe they evened it up.

As I said, the money suddenly stopping, but not for Sheila may have heightened his resentment.

What did he work as abroad ? Steve said he was a beach bum & involved in petty crime.