The caravan break in. A taste for money, a taste to massacre ?

[susan]

Adam those are not the places he made his money he just worked there for free meals

[Alias]

Why do people hate Jeremy so much even in this day and age? It have been twenty nine years since the murders. I can understand if Colin hated Jeremy - but he seems quite forgiving very soon after the murders and tries to "understand" Jeremy (which I in turn DON´T understand, but that is another story).
But why such passionate hate from people who don´t even know him?
Even if Jeremy did commit the murders, I think it is time he got out now, he served a longer sentence than most already.
He was dealt a lousy hand in life with biological parents who did not want him and sent to a household where the mother had already been to hospital suffering from mental illness. No child would be adopted into such a family today!
Sheila ended up a paranoid shizophrenic, Jeremy a mass murderer (if you believe he is guilty) - surely there must have been sever dysfunction within that household!

[Adam]

At first Neville & June spent an equal amount of money on Jeremy & Sheila.

Both being sent to boarding school. Sheila being supported & Jeremy spending a long time abroad in several  different countries. Paid for by his parents.

But then the money suddenly stopped for Jeremy. But not for Sheila.

[susan]

Adam only give your opinion when we ask for it please

[Jane]

Once again Jeremy's trip was to be ill-fated as he failed his scuba-diving course,realizing finally the import of June's clumsiness when she had dropped him on the head as a baby. How many twists and turns are there in a story which could very well have ended differently,yet another opportunity for Jeremy to pursue his dreams without the confines of White House Farm had been dashed. Had Jeremy let slip to Nevill's New Zealand cousin Chris his real sentiments towards his parents when he dismissed them both as lily-livered and inconsistent in disciplinary matters,as June once again fell ill in the Autumn of 1983 and had to be hospitalized as her religion turned into a mania in an attempt to protect herself from her ever-disrespectful children? Nevill himself turned tearfully to neighbour John Seward and would confide occasionally in farm secretary Barbara Wilson on the subject,but both Sheila and Jeremy were spiralling out of control and it was Jeremy who exploited the vacuum left by June's absence to gain ever more status on the Farm when in reality he had done very little to earn it.

Steve, can you be saying that every child is disrespectful who refuses to conform to what their parents demand of them? I cannot imagine for a moment that Sheila can be said to have conformed. I feel certain that June would have preferred that she'd settled into a secretarial/PA  position or worked in her own antiques shop before making a suitable marriage. Of the two, at least Jeremy made an effort, even if it was a half hearted one.

[Adam]

Adam those are not the places he made his money he just worked there for free meals

I would prefer free meals at Strada.

[Steve_uk]

Where did you read all that Steve?  I have read something very different however, we can never know for sure which if either is closest to the truth as it is all hearsay, certainly not proven fact.

If you have read something different then do spill the beans,otherwise this is my interpretation of collating facts from the various books on the case.

[maggie]

1) people are good at hiding things though we know he was narcissistic enough to steal from his family.

2) the exact level of deparvity necessary is hard to calculate since it varies so much case to case/ is hard to quatify.

we don't know what other things he might have done that we are unaware of. Maybe he did have a personality he wasn't popular in school and didn't seem to have many friends.   

Julie said he was constantly moaning about his hard work on the far and jealous anytime the fmaily spent money on others including his own sister who he was jealous of because she got a free ride while he had to work.  He was jealous that his sister with mental problems who could not even be taught how to drive got a free place to live without having to work.  He should have been thanking his lucky stars he was not like her.  I don't get jealous if my parents help a sibling or even nieces and nephews out when they need it. He clearly had issues and some might have stemmed from being adopted, some from being dumped in a boarding school but there was more to it than that to be jealous of them supporting a sister with problems that prevented her from leading a normal life. That kind of jealousy is not normal at all.  In fact it reminds me of the same kind of jealousy killer Ronald DeFeo Jr had where he felt his father should have given him the same amount of money to use for partying that he had spend on younger brother Marc's medical treatment (he had a broken leg from playing football).

Hi scipio, do you know Jeremy Bamber?  If you don't how are you so clued up about his personality and how jealous he was etc.?  This is all made up, second hand hearsay.  Jeremy Bamber DID have friends and still has some of them now all these years later.

[Jane]

So what ? I am giving my opinion.

Which is his parents funded his long, winding and expensive trips  abroad. Straight after he left education.

SO WHAT, Adam. It MAY sound strange to you. You MAY indeed be resentful of it, but believe me, the Bambers did no differently than any other parent of their social standing.

[maggie]

Adam only give your opinion when we ask for it please

[susan]

Adam offer your services then

[Steve_uk]

Why do people hate Jeremy so much even in this day and age? It have been twenty nine years since the murders. I can understand if Colin hated Jeremy - but he seems quite forgiving very soon after the murders and tries to "understand" Jeremy (which I in turn DON´T understand, but that is another story).
But why such passionate hate from people who don´t even know him?
Even if Jeremy did commit the murders, I think it is time he got out now, he served a longer sentence than most already.
He was dealt a lousy hand in life with biological parents who did not want him and sent to a household where the mother had already been to hospital suffering from mental illness. No child would be adopted into such a family today!
Sheila ended up a paranoid shizophrenic, Jeremy a mass murderer (if you believe he is guilty) - surely there must have been sever dysfunction within that household!

But he won't admit guilt Alias. In addition Colin doesn't ever want him released,and his opinion must surely be respectfully acknowledged. Is there a risk Jeremy might seek revenge on Julie or Ann Eaton's children? This is why if Jeremy is to be removed to more pleasant quarters they must be in a secure environment in an out of the way place on a remote Scottish isle..

[maggie]

At first Neville & June spent an equal amount of money on Jeremy & Sheila.

Both being sent to boarding school. Sheila being supported & Jeremy spending a long time abroad in several  different countries. Paid for by his parents.

But then the money suddenly stopped for Jeremy. But not for Sheila.

When was this?  What are you referring to?  Jeremy had a free house and car for starters, as well as a well paid job and a guaranteed career.

[Adam]

Your opinion proves nothing.  It is said that he funded most of the trips but even if June and Nevill did fund the trip, so what?  I presume they funded them because they were happy to or are you trying to infer he MADE them pay for his trips?  They could certainly afford to give him money and I am a little confused  ......  a moment ago you were arguing that Jeremy was angry and bitter and full of hatred becausse Sheila was getting all the freebies, now you are telling us that Jeremy got free 'jaunts' abroad.  Make your mind up.

Use you're brain and read my other posts on this thread.

It is certain that Jeremy's long and winding trips to lots of far away and expensive countries were paid for by his parents. Jeremy obviously persuaded his parents to fund this.

But then the funding stopped. But Sheila was living rent free in London.

Jeremy had a tantrum and tried to go it alone. Working in low paid jobs. Reluctantly returning to WHF.

[Steve_uk]

Steve, can you be saying that every child is disrespectful who refuses to conform to what their parents demand of them? I cannot imagine for a moment that Sheila can be said to have conformed. I feel certain that June would have preferred that she'd settled into a secretarial/PA  position or worked in her own antiques shop before making a suitable marriage. Of the two, at least Jeremy made an effort, even if it was a half hearted one.

That's true,but Sheila was ill. Jeremy dared not rock the boat for his own selfish purposes with an eye to a future inheritance. Nevill and June were partly at fault for not suggesting a career outside the Farm for their son,at an age when they could well have sold up and retired.