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Offline Jane

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Re: The caravan break in. A taste for money, a taste to massacre ?
« Reply #60 on: July 03, 2014, 07:41:PM »
Not sure how Jeremy could afford his long jaunts abroad.

He left private education penniless & with poor qualifications.

He would have had to have saved a lot of money quickly working at Little Chef & Sloppy Joe's. That is if his jaunts abroad were after those jobs.


I very much doubt that he was expected to fund trips to the Antipodes having only recently left education and I don't know of similar families who would expect it. These trips are the equivalent of the Victorian Grand Tour and are family funded.

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« Reply #61 on: July 03, 2014, 07:41:PM »
His complaints to Julie about Sheila haveing a free place ot stay whil ehe had to work in the fields for a lesser place to stay for starters...

Oh I forgot you don;t read anything that is negative about Jeremy and have a very poor grasp of the facts of this case, soorry I thoguht for a minute that after studying it for years you would be aware of basic things.
Well it might be useful to know who it was who actually said that about Bamber?

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« Reply #62 on: July 03, 2014, 07:41:PM »
Maggie bit drastic I would say murdering your entire family for £1000 :'( Ralph would have just written the debt off as they spoiled him and loved him.

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« Reply #63 on: July 03, 2014, 07:44:PM »
I always thought he started working away from the farm after his jaunts abroad. In that case his parents certainly paid for it.

It seems Jeremy returned to the farm after realising the grass is not greener. But did not like working on the farm either.

But there was another option....
I think it is very common for parents to pay for their kids. I'm always baling my kids out of trouble. Probably explaines why I don't have much money these days? ::)

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« Reply #64 on: July 03, 2014, 07:45:PM »

I very much doubt that he was expected to fund trips to the Antipodes having only recently left education and I don't know of similar families who would expect it. These trips are the equivalent of the Victorian Grand Tour and are family funded.

Jeremy was able to fund his own trips abroad in 1985.
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« Reply #65 on: July 03, 2014, 07:53:PM »
It seems Jeremy did not spend a lot of his 24 years with his parents.

Being sent off to boarding school at a young age. Something he never forgave June for according to Mary Mugford.

He then spent a long time abroad. Funded by his parents. Then got low paid jobs outside the farm. Reluctantly returning to the farm after realising it was his best option.
« Last Edit: July 03, 2014, 07:54:PM by Adam »
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« Reply #66 on: July 03, 2014, 08:02:PM »

I very much doubt that he was expected to fund trips to the Antipodes having only recently left education and I don't know of similar families who would expect it. These trips are the equivalent of the Victorian Grand Tour and are family funded.
Jeremy argued his corner successfully that he should gain parity with Sheila,whose photograph portfolio had been paid for by June along with her modelling course. When Sheila turned into a Lucie Clayton failure this took some of the pressure off Jeremy and he enjoyed a trouble-free few months lounging on the Auckland beaches,where he caught the eye of homosexual Brett Collins,who was running a sandwich bar there. The two became petty criminals and pilfered two Cartier watches from a jewellery store,one of which Jeremy gave to Suzette Ford upon his return to England. The precise reason for their departure from New Zealand is unknown,except that it was hasty and was rumoured to be in connection with a death at a city nightclub. They moved on to Sydney and became beach bums until the money ran out and June sent her son a one way ticket home,where the storm clouds were gathering as Jeremy realized he was shackled to a lifestyle he could never effectuate and ambitions planned for him he would never fulfil.
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« Reply #67 on: July 03, 2014, 08:07:PM »
Yes I also read that June had to send Jeremy some emergency money so he could leave the country quickly.

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Re: The caravan break in. A taste for money, a taste to massacre ?
« Reply #68 on: July 03, 2014, 08:11:PM »
Not sure how Jeremy could afford his long jaunts abroad.

He left private education penniless & with poor qualifications.

He would have had to have saved a lot of money quickly working at Little Chef & Sloppy Joe's. That is if his jaunts abroad were after those jobs.
I am pretty sure he saved up money and worked on a sugar cane farm when over in Australia as well on his first trip.  How do you know he was penniless when he left private education?  He then went to 6th form college before going to Australia.

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« Reply #69 on: July 03, 2014, 08:12:PM »
I think it is very common for parents to pay for their kids. I'm always baling my kids out of trouble. Probably explaines why I don't have much money these days? ::)
Costs us a fortune Grahame, there's always something. :)

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« Reply #70 on: July 03, 2014, 08:15:PM »
Jeremy argued his corner successfully that he should gain parity with Sheila,whose photograph portfolio had been paid for by June along with her modelling course. When Sheila turned into a Lucie Clayton failure this took some of the pressure off Jeremy and he enjoyed a trouble-free few months lounging on the Auckland beaches,where he caught the eye of homosexual Brett Collins,who was running a sandwich bar there. The two became petty criminals and pilfered two Cartier watches from a jewellery store,one of which Jeremy gave to Suzette Ford upon his return to England. The precise reason for their departure from New Zealand is unknown,except that it was hasty and was rumoured to be in connection with a death at a city nightclub. They moved on to Sydney and became beach bums until the money ran out and June sent her son a one way ticket home,where the storm clouds were gathering as Jeremy realized he was shackled to a lifestyle he could never effectuate and ambitions planned for him he would never fulfil.


I'm sure you know about the stop-overs en route to the Antipodes where one can get fake ANYTHINGS. That includes Cartier watches. As you say, the precise reason for Jeremy's return is unknown.

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« Reply #71 on: July 03, 2014, 08:17:PM »
I am pretty sure he saved up money and worked on a sugar cane farm when over in Australia as well on his first trip.  How do you know he was penniless when he left private education?  He then went to 6th form college before going to Australia.

Was he working while at school ? That would explain his poor qualifications. Of he was just lazy. Or not academic. Or both ?

Again he would not have saved up much.

« Last Edit: July 03, 2014, 08:18:PM by Adam »
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« Reply #72 on: July 03, 2014, 08:18:PM »
Greed is part of the overall equation of it being personal.

He was mad he was forced to work instead of just being handed everything like he perceived was handed to Sheila and he considered her flat much better than the place he was given to live.  He felt slighted by this any anything given to others that he felt should have been given to him.  This is part of what made him fell angry towards them

Whether there was really overkill or not is hard to say.  If he had killed his parents with a single shot each would he have bothered pouring so many into them?  Would Nevill have been beaten if he had not needed to knock him out to be able to safely reload?  The twins offer the only clue but how reliable is it?  After his experiences with the parents one coudl see why he would want to pump several bullets ino them to make sure.  He hadn't exactly proved to be capable of killing with 1 shot.  For all we know they died last after he even failed to kill Sheila with 1 shot when he killed them.  So pumping several rounds into their head could have been simply to make sure not from rage.  It could also have been his effort to make it look like Sheila did it.  Maybe he felt to make it look like she did it he needed ot make sure they had multiple rounds each. 

Could it have been rage?  Sure not only would his adrenaline have been pumping after the previous kills but he was very likely jealous of how much time Nevill was spending with them.  Nevill was reportedly taking care of them all day.  Jeremy was not happy at being dumped in a prep school and probably felt slighted by the attention they were being given.  So he did have a reason of sorts that could have caused him to shoot them so many times.

It is just hard to know though if he was being motivated more by the planning of trying to frame his sister, being scared they would not die or emotions at that point.  If it was these 3 combined how can you really pick which was the most significant?  Would it even matter if one was more significant than the rest anyway?   

If it was just a personal problem with the parents he probably would have acted earlier and against them only.  The fact he waited until his his sister and nephews were there so they coudl be killed as well seems to demonstrate to me the main motivation was greed.  Of course you have to have some emotional problems to be able to kill your parents for money so that certainly factored in.






     
Some emotional problems!!!!!  You have to be a total psychopathic, narcissistic monster to do what you claim he did.  Trouble is he has never shown any signs of these disorders in any other situation. :-\

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« Reply #73 on: July 03, 2014, 08:24:PM »
Grahame some kids refer to their Dad as "wallet"  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #74 on: July 03, 2014, 08:25:PM »

I very much doubt that he was expected to fund trips to the Antipodes having only recently left education and I don't know of similar families who would expect it. These trips are the equivalent of the Victorian Grand Tour and are family funded.
Think Lomax states that Jeremy did fund most of his trips himself, April on his return trip from Australia he stayed for a short time in Bali and Hong Kong, June insisted on paying for his ticket back from Australia and on the second trip Nevill did  pay for his final flight home after his second trip when he spent time in New Zealand, Australia and the Middle East.