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Offline lookout

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Re: The caravan break in. A taste for money, a taste to massacre ?
« Reply #45 on: July 03, 2014, 07:13:PM »
When did his gran die ?

Wikipedia says Jeremy filed a lawsuit in 2003.




The old dear died in 1986,I think,so Jeremy would possibly have known that her days were numbered anyway,so why would he go on to kill for the sake of less than a years wait ??

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« Reply #46 on: July 03, 2014, 07:14:PM »
True he was getting well paid for the work he was doing but he was not satisfied with his wages and wanted more.  He was very jealous that his sister didn't have to work and was provide a place in london.  He was exactly thrilled that his mother offered to pay for Julie to stay elsewhere. Obviously part of that annoyance is she would no longer be in his bed but he also was not happy that Julie would have been provided a free place.   

For someone like him who feels he was being slightled to kill everyone so he would not have to work anymore and can enjoy the money right away and would get the entire fortune instead of having to share it with his sister or her kids is something that indeed happens. 

So the notion it is implausible is not correct.  Worse there is some evidence that suggests he was concerned about wills being changed. 

If it is a matter of whether it is more plausible he did it or more plausible the grand conspiracy alleged to have occurred then hands down much more believable he did it.

The only thing more incredible than the conspiracy claims themselves is the notion that this conspiracy could occur without any evidence left behind to prove it happened.

All the supposed evidence that demonstrated a conspiracy occurred has turned out to be lies and gross distortions.
And majority of your post is assumptions.  How do you know how JB felt about Sheila having a free place and as for claiming he was jealous of Julie Mugford having a free place to live that is just rubbish. There is no proof for your claims in this post. They are your assumptions, none of it is fact.

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« Reply #47 on: July 03, 2014, 07:16:PM »
I know he had never been violent, but he still crossed a line. I wonder why he did it, the loot wasn´t that great. Rehearsal to test his nerve?
I never liked this break-in, it is in the back of my mind and is one contributing factor to me being on the fence about the killings.
There is something else I read about that bothers me. I only remember it vaguely, and I don´t remember where I read it. It was about Jeremy spying on the house of a couple. He would sit in his car, as far as I recall. This is all I can remember. Can anyone help me?

Never heard that before but IF true, that would be very worrying!!
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Re: The caravan break in. A taste for money, a taste to massacre ?
« Reply #48 on: July 03, 2014, 07:16:PM »
Didn't he get some money from Nevill's wallet? I don't believe he funded the trips abroad for himself either-more likely wangled a loan out of Nevill which everyone knew he would never be able to repay.
I believe he saved up for his trips steve, now you are making assumptions.

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« Reply #49 on: July 03, 2014, 07:19:PM »
And majority of your post is assumptions.  How do you know how JB felt about Sheila having a free place and as for claiming he was jealous of Julie Mugford having a free place to live that is just rubbish. There is no proof for your claims in this post. They are your assumptions, none of it is fact.
Maggie that information comes from one of the books. In any case it is just hearsay.

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« Reply #50 on: July 03, 2014, 07:22:PM »
I believe he saved up for his trips steve, now you are making assumptions.
We've heard already about the money in the wallet haven't we? He complained because it went missing and it turned out that Ann Eaton took it for safe keeping. He apparently knew how much was in it as well. Whether he took some of it is I suspect just guesswork?

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Re: The caravan break in. A taste for money, a taste to massacre ?
« Reply #51 on: July 03, 2014, 07:22:PM »
Maggie that information comes from one of the books. In any case it is just hearsay.
Yes, gossip and hearsay. None of it is based on fact.

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Re: The caravan break in. A taste for money, a taste to massacre ?
« Reply #52 on: July 03, 2014, 07:24:PM »
Never heard that before but IF true, that would be very worrying!!

I hope I didn´t just dream this!  :-\ If no one remembers seeing this, I probably did! I have very vivid dreams.....
I have this feeling the couple knew Freddie Emami - or were of foreign descent somehow.

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« Reply #53 on: July 03, 2014, 07:27:PM »
He was fairly well off, no doubt about it. + His future was secured in every way thinkable. If he did this, I don´t think the primary reason was greed. To me the killings seem "personal", very violent and overkill, very messy (except in the case of Sheila); not the cool, calculated murders some guilters make them out to be.

Greed is part of the overall equation of it being personal.

He was mad he was forced to work instead of just being handed everything like he perceived was handed to Sheila and he considered her flat much better than the place he was given to live.  He felt slighted by this any anything given to others that he felt should have been given to him.  This is part of what made him fell angry towards them

Whether there was really overkill or not is hard to say.  If he had killed his parents with a single shot each would he have bothered pouring so many into them?  Would Nevill have been beaten if he had not needed to knock him out to be able to safely reload?  The twins offer the only clue but how reliable is it?  After his experiences with the parents one coudl see why he would want to pump several bullets ino them to make sure.  He hadn't exactly proved to be capable of killing with 1 shot.  For all we know they died last after he even failed to kill Sheila with 1 shot when he killed them.  So pumping several rounds into their head could have been simply to make sure not from rage.  It could also have been his effort to make it look like Sheila did it.  Maybe he felt to make it look like she did it he needed ot make sure they had multiple rounds each. 

Could it have been rage?  Sure not only would his adrenaline have been pumping after the previous kills but he was very likely jealous of how much time Nevill was spending with them.  Nevill was reportedly taking care of them all day.  Jeremy was not happy at being dumped in a prep school and probably felt slighted by the attention they were being given.  So he did have a reason of sorts that could have caused him to shoot them so many times.

It is just hard to know though if he was being motivated more by the planning of trying to frame his sister, being scared they would not die or emotions at that point.  If it was these 3 combined how can you really pick which was the most significant?  Would it even matter if one was more significant than the rest anyway?   

If it was just a personal problem with the parents he probably would have acted earlier and against them only.  The fact he waited until his his sister and nephews were there so they coudl be killed as well seems to demonstrate to me the main motivation was greed.  Of course you have to have some emotional problems to be able to kill your parents for money so that certainly factored in.






       

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Re: The caravan break in. A taste for money, a taste to massacre ?
« Reply #54 on: July 03, 2014, 07:28:PM »
Didn't he get some money from Nevill's wallet? I don't believe he funded the trips abroad for himself either-more likely wangled a loan out of Nevill which everyone knew he would never be able to repay.


I doubt that Nevill would have carried enormous amounts around with him and I'm not sure who would have known that there was money there to verify that Jeremy had taken it. I agree that he was unlikely to have paid for the whole trip -he wouldn't have had the time to earn enough-  but I believe he did casual work to help fund it. I've never known parents at the Bamber level who've EXPECTED their children to fund these trips UNLESS said "child" is very wealthy in their own right.

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Re: The caravan break in. A taste for money, a taste to massacre ?
« Reply #55 on: July 03, 2014, 07:30:PM »
And majority of your post is assumptions.  How do you know how JB felt about Sheila having a free place and as for claiming he was jealous of Julie Mugford having a free place to live that is just rubbish. There is no proof for your claims in this post. They are your assumptions, none of it is fact.

His complaints to Julie about Sheila haveing a free place ot stay whil ehe had to work in the fields for a lesser place to stay for starters...

Oh I forgot you don;t read anything that is negative about Jeremy and have a very poor grasp of the facts of this case, soorry I thoguht for a minute that after studying it for years you would be aware of basic things.
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« Reply #56 on: July 03, 2014, 07:31:PM »
I believe he saved up for his trips steve, now you are making assumptions.

He borrowed somethign on the order of 1000 pounds to fund one of his trips.  That was one of the issues- that by killing them he didn't have to pay it back.
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Re: The caravan break in. A taste for money, a taste to massacre ?
« Reply #57 on: July 03, 2014, 07:35:PM »
Not sure how Jeremy could afford his long jaunts abroad.

He left private education penniless & with poor qualifications.

He would have had to have saved a lot of money quickly working at Little Chef & Sloppy Joe's. That is if his jaunts abroad were after those jobs.

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« Reply #58 on: July 03, 2014, 07:37:PM »
Adam he probably made money out of growing wacky backy :'(

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« Reply #59 on: July 03, 2014, 07:40:PM »
I always thought he started working away from the farm after his jaunts abroad. In that case his parents certainly paid for it.

It seems Jeremy returned to the farm after realising the grass is not greener. But did not like working on the farm either.

But there was another option....
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