The caravan break in. A taste for money, a taste to massacre ?

[Jan]

Mary Mugford.

Ann Eaton.

James Richards.

Dorothy Folkes.

Robert Boutflour.

Barbara Wilson.

Barbara Wilson changed her story  considerably

Robert and Anne as we know now had a motive to keep Jeremy  inside and apparently did not like him anyway before the incident - I believe they Thought he was guilty ( although they had no proof) and were quite happy to embelish thier evidence ( backed up with how they allegedly treated Colin)

Dorothy Folkes - can you post her whole testimony?
And the same for James Richard ?

[Adam]

RB's diaries suggest this was pre planned.

Jeremy persuading Neville to leave the money in the safe, rather than taking it back to WHF. RB then saying immediately after the break in 'you know who that was don't you'.

It would not be rocket science for Neville to work out it was Jeremy. Barabara Wilson said Neville knew it was Jeremy, but did not prosecute. Which Jeremy probably suspected would happen.

Poor Neville couldn't even get the money back from Jeremy. As Jeremy quickly spent it, on slap up meals.

Perhaps Neville added it to the £2,000 RB said Jeremy already owed Neville. But Jeremy had told Neville he couldn't pay him back. Oh dear.

Five months later, Jeremy executed another pre planned crime. Or did he ?

[Steve_uk]

RB's diaries suggest this was pre planned.

Jeremy persuading Neville to leave the money in the safe, rather than taking it back to WHF. RB then saying immediately after the break in 'you know who that was don't you'.

It would not be rocket science for Neville to work out it was Jeremy. Barabara Wilson said Neville knew it was Jeremy, but did not prosecute. Which Jeremy probably suspected would happen.

Poor Neville couldn't even get the money back from Jeremy. As Jeremy quickly spent it, on slap up meals.

Perhaps Neville added it to the £2,000 RB said Jeremy already owed Neville. But Jeremy had told Neville he couldn't pay him back. Oh dear.

Five months later, Jeremy executed another pre planned crime. Or did he ?

I think June had put her foot down as well,refusing to write out more personal cheques. Jeremy had to learn the harsh lesson like all of us that we must live within our means.

[Jane]

I think June had put her foot down as well,refusing to write out more personal cheques. Jeremy had to learn the harsh lesson like all of us that we must live within our means.

But it's beginning to look as if they didn't insist that Sheila learned the same lesson. An expensive London address, a monthly allowance, weekly food parcels, private psych care. I wonder how all of that balanced against what they'd given/lent Jeremy.

[Alias]

But it's beginning to look as if they didn't insist that Sheila learned the same lesson. An expensive London address, a monthly allowance, weekly food parcels, private psych care. I wonder how all of that balanced against what they'd given/lent Jeremy.

House, car, probably food from time to time, travels. a fair salary, stocks in family businesses. June and Nevill were generous to their children, both Sheila and Jeremy, and I don´t think Jeremy had reason to complain. Whether he did, I don´t know, but he was well off for his age.

[David1819]

If JB was allegedly planning to kill his family for many month to inherit the cavern park why would he break into it a month beforehand if in his mind it will soon be his anyway? 

[lookout]

House, car, probably food from time to time, travels. a fair salary, stocks in family businesses. June and Nevill were generous to their children, both Sheila and Jeremy, and I don´t think Jeremy had reason to complain. Whether he did, I don´t know, but he was well off for his age.

Sheila too was comparatively well off and she had a husband as well,but was still provided for by her parents.

[lookout]

If JB was allegedly planning to kill his family for many month to inherit the cavern park why would he break into it a month beforehand if in his mind it will soon be his anyway?

Because,it would seem,he was stupid like that.

[Steve_uk]

If JB was allegedly planning to kill his family for many month to inherit the cavern park why would he break into it a month beforehand if in his mind it will soon be his anyway?

Because he would have to share it with Ann Eaton,whom he attempted to keep onside by sending her a birthday card for the first time in her life.

[Steve_uk]

But it's beginning to look as if they didn't insist that Sheila learned the same lesson. An expensive London address, a monthly allowance, weekly food parcels, private psych care. I wonder how all of that balanced against what they'd given/lent Jeremy.

But Sheila was not a materialistic person for all her faults. She was ill anyway,though with the rumours of the drug debt it's true she was not living within her means.

[Jane]

House, car, probably food from time to time, travels. a fair salary, stocks in family businesses. June and Nevill were generous to their children, both Sheila and Jeremy, and I don´t think Jeremy had reason to complain. Whether he did, I don´t know, but he was well off for his age.

This is about how Jeremy may have felt as a sibling and his will have been a completely different view from ours, even if ours DOES seem more logical.

[Alias]

This is about how Jeremy may have felt as a sibling and his will have been a completely different view from ours, even if ours DOES seem more logical.

I did say I didn´t know whether he found the whole thing unjust.
If you have an ill sibling, you can also feel jealous of the attention the other sibling gets. I do realize that.

[Steve_uk]

This is about how Jeremy may have felt as a sibling and his will have been a completely different view from ours, even if ours DOES seem more logical.

..and it's as if he's now mimicking Sheila's passivity in jail now and seemingly accepting everything which is thrown at him. Whether he has any faith left in his lawyers is anyone's guess..

[Jane]

But Sheila was not a materialistic person for all her faults. She was ill anyway,though with the rumours of the drug debt it's true she was not living within her means.

I'm not saying she was. She actually had no need to be. It almost seems as if the Bambers anticipated her needs before she did. MAYBE they'd used it as a way of pacifying her all her life. I'm speculating, I know, but IMO, this has NEVER been about a good child at one end of the spectrum and a bad child at the other.

[maggie]

But Sheila was not a materialistic person for all her faults. She was ill anyway,though with the rumours of the drug debt it's true she was not living within her means.

It was quite possible that Sheila was addicted to cocaine Steve, she had massive problems but cocaine does not make you passive, it makes you unpredictable and a very angry loose canon.  There was far more to Sheila than she's often given credit for, she was a mass of contradictions and between her paranoid schizophrenia, her drug taking etc. she was capable of having a severe psychotic episode  imo.