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Re: Time to agree with Jeremy regarding the silencer ? But...
« Reply #15 on: June 23, 2014, 08:29:PM »
Excuse me Adam, but it is definitely not clear that he ever went to WHF let alone how and at what time? You are just assuming all these things. No one has been able to place him at WHF that night, not even Mugsy.

He was placed there by virtue of alerting police to these murders thereby proving he was the killer.  The call from Nevill clearly was made up.  Sheila can't have killed herself then moved her own body, opened and closed bible in her wet blood and put the suppressor away. Nor did she load the gun, fire the gun, beat Nevill and thus didn't kill anyone else.  Jeremy had to no tonly be the one who killed her but everyone else as well.

   
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Re: Time to agree with Jeremy regarding the silencer ? But...
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2014, 08:30:PM »
Excuse me Adam, but it is definitely not clear that he ever went to WHF let alone how and at what time? You are just assuming all these things. No one has been able to place him at WHF that night, not even Mugsy.

Julie was asleep in London. Before Jeremy woke her.

There were no CCTV cameras on the fields at 2.00am.
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Re: Time to agree with Jeremy regarding the silencer ? But...
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2014, 08:37:PM »
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5213.0.html

You may have missed this thread. About the trial fairness.

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Re: Time to agree with Jeremy regarding the silencer ? But...
« Reply #18 on: June 23, 2014, 08:51:PM »
Jeremy has never claimed the police framed him with the silencer.

His police complaints, years later are more to do with the massacre night. Saying the police know there were conversations with an alive Sheila inside and there were originally two bodies in the kitchen. Quite how a 'present'Jeremy was not informed or notice on the night I do not know. He claimed in 2005 the police know Neville phoned them, something they denied. Again Jeremy would have been told on the night.

My last thread showed the police still had a mountain of Circumstantial & forensic evidence. Together with witnesses such as Julie. So the police had no reason to risk creating a fake piece of evidence when they could still charge him.

Jeremy said outright in 2010 the relatives (not the police) framed him. Using the silencer.

The problem is, this board have highlighted the relatives did not have the time, courage, expertise, equipment, blood knowledge & financial need to frame Jeremy. A man that had just lost his family.

Politically it is better to blame the family. It highlights how everyone is working together to frame Jeremy. His own family turning against him attracts the sympathy vote. Blaming the law too much is not a great idea.

So if Jeremy is saying it was not the police, but the family could not, would not & did not do it, how did Sheila's, June's & Neville's blood/DNA get on the silencer ?

know hes allways acused the relatives as have his supporters.
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« Reply #19 on: June 23, 2014, 09:07:PM »
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That doesn't show any unfairness.  It shows allegations made with upon scrutiny fell apart completely and totally and were thorougly rejected by the courts.

For instance, the defense already had access to statements where one roomate  stated the call could have been made as late at 3:30 but she was pretty sure it was at 3:15.  The other witnesses insist it was aorund 3 and they were more definite.  The defense was thus aware all along of the witness who suggested it could have been as late as 3:30AM. The defense wa sunabel to get the witnesses to chance their estimate and the claim that Ann Eaton's notes could have been used to get them to change their claims is frankly asburd.

Some of the claims made don't even relate to evidence presented at trial such as the claim Anthony saw injuries to Jeremy's hands.  That was never presented at trial so it is a straw man to attack it.

The claims made neither establish that Jeremy got a fair trial nor that he was innocent.

If you claim otherwise then post  precise evidence and explain how such evidence proves he didn't get a fair trial and why. 
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Re: Time to agree with Jeremy regarding the silencer ? But...
« Reply #20 on: June 23, 2014, 09:07:PM »
He was placed there by virtue of alerting police to these murders thereby proving he was the killer.  The call from Nevill clearly was made up.  Sheila can't have killed herself then moved her own body, opened and closed bible in her wet blood and put the suppressor away. Nor did she load the gun, fire the gun, beat Nevill and thus didn't kill anyone else.  Jeremy had to no tonly be the one who killed her but everyone else as well.

 

the police dident think it was made up to start they tried to time the evedence around it.

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Re: Time to agree with Jeremy regarding the silencer ? But...
« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2014, 09:07:PM »
He was placed there by virtue of alerting police to these murders thereby proving he was the killer.  The call from Nevill clearly was made up.  Sheila can't have killed herself then moved her own body, opened and closed bible in her wet blood and put the suppressor away. Nor did she load the gun, fire the gun, beat Nevill and thus didn't kill anyone else.  Jeremy had to no tonly be the one who killed her but everyone else as well.

 

considering the way you present your arguments I am extremely shocked at this post.

Alerting the police to the murders and the call did not PROVE he was the killer -  It has never been PROVED the call did not take place and exposing his demeanor straight after a mass murder and not giving himself much time to dispose of evidence could have been a very stupid mistake.

We don't know who "moved the body" although the police admitted them selves there it was moved during photos.So that proves nothing.

The arguments about the blood on the silencer still go on  and until then I am still not seeing proof that it was even used?

A police officer made a statement that the bible appeared to have moved as had sheilas head as to where he saw it originally

the above statement is your opinion but is mostly supposition.

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« Reply #22 on: June 23, 2014, 09:41:PM »
considering the way you present your arguments I am extremely shocked at this post.

Alerting the police to the murders and the call did not PROVE he was the killer -  It has never been PROVED the call did not take place and exposing his demeanor straight after a mass murder and not giving himself much time to dispose of evidence could have been a very stupid mistake.

We don't know who "moved the body" although the police admitted them selves there it was moved during photos.So that proves nothing.

The arguments about the blood on the silencer still go on  and until then I am still not seeing proof that it was even used?

A police officer made a statement that the bible appeared to have moved as had sheilas head as to where he saw it originally

the above statement is your opinion but is mostly supposition.

There are 3 separate pieces of proof that Sheila did not kill herself.

1) the suppressor
2) the fact she was seated against something when shot then moved flat while still bleeding
3) the bible being opened and closed in the pool of blood that formed after she died

So Sheila didn't kill herself.

It was also established that there was a complete lack of evidence she loaded a gun, fired a gun, knew how to load and fire the murder weapon, or that she had beaten Nevill and there would have been phsical evidence if she had done these things.  So Sheila didn't kill anyone else either.

That means someone else did it. 

Who knew about th emurders?  Only Jeremy who also happens to be the same person who went out of his way to suggest she did it through the alleged phone call (which obviously was made up since Sheila didn't actually do anything) and claiming he had left the gun out for her to have easy access to and having staged the bullets.

The evidence I cited thus does 2 things. There is the evidence that Sheila didn't kill herself or anyone else but rather someone else did.  Then there is the attempted frame job with proves Jeremy is the one who did it.  The evidence works in unison to vindicate Sheila and implicate Jeremy.  Jeremy was further implicated by Julie.

Had there only been evidence someone else did it than Sheila or any other victim then we would only know they were murdered not wh did it.  Julie and Jeremy combined together to reveal who did it.  If Jeremy had never told Julie a thing and have never made up the stories he did but rather simply played dumb, made someone else find the bodies and claimed he knew nothing then they would not have had evidence to prove he did it.

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Re: Time to agree with Jeremy regarding the silencer ? But...
« Reply #23 on: June 23, 2014, 10:11:PM »
He was placed there by virtue of alerting police to these murders thereby proving he was the killer.  The call from Nevill clearly was made up.  Sheila can't have killed herself then moved her own body, opened and closed bible in her wet blood and put the suppressor away. Nor did she load the gun, fire the gun, beat Nevill and thus didn't kill anyone else.  Jeremy had to no tonly be the one who killed her but everyone else as well.

 
You can't place him there because of the telephone call. That is quite simply a nonsense. The point of him riding a bike to WHF and back has not been proven. It has been assumed.

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Re: Time to agree with Jeremy regarding the silencer ? But...
« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2014, 10:13:PM »
Julie was asleep in London. Before Jeremy woke her.

There were no CCTV cameras on the fields at 2.00am.
Exactly. So there simply is no way you or anyone else can prove he went there by bike. It was forensically tested and ruled out. It was just used by a smart lawyer to put it into the minds of the jurers that that's how he got there. But they still have not proven it.

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« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2014, 10:35:PM »
Bamber's claims change with the wind as do the claims made by his supporters.  In fact his supporters often make mutually exclusive claims simultaneously.  It is the thrw as much shit as possible at the wall to see if any sticks approach.

At this point most of Bamber's efforts seem to be aimed at propaganda to try to convince people he is innocent so that his reputation after he is gone will be one of innocence wih an MOJ having occurred. 

He hoped in the past to use that as a spring to freedom but at this point I think deep down even he realizes he has no hope of fooling the courts and that his legacy is all he could hope to influence.

It's not only hardened supporters who think he was framed with the silencer  ;)
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« Reply #26 on: June 23, 2014, 10:42:PM »
Exactly. So there simply is no way you or anyone else can prove he went there by bike. It was forensically tested and ruled out. It was just used by a smart lawyer to put it into the minds of the jurers that that's how he got there. But they still have not proven it.

Part of a prosecution case will be to show a motive and an opportunity.

Jeremy had the 'opportunity' to get to and from WHF quite quickly without being seen. There is no proof he did. Why should there be ?

The bike arrived at Jeremy's cottage three days before the massacre. Circumstantial evidence ?

The bike was not ruled out and was in the 2002 appeal.
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« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2014, 10:47:PM »
It's not only hardened supporters who think he was framed with the silencer  ;)

Do you agree with Jeremy that it was the relatives ?
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Re: Time to agree with Jeremy regarding the silencer ? But...
« Reply #28 on: June 23, 2014, 10:55:PM »
Do you agree with Jeremy that it was the relatives ?

I have already answered this. Do I think it was the relatives idea? No.
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« Reply #29 on: June 23, 2014, 11:03:PM »
So the police instructed the lab technicians to expertly put the blood inside.

But there was enough evidence to charge without the silencer. Why risk the case collapsing and the police being prosecuted ?
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