Was there still enough evidence without the silencer ?

[lookout]

 There'd have been no case without the silencer !

[Adam]

There'd have been no case without the silencer !

[Adam]

This is some of the other evidence used at trial.


i) The appellant's expressed dislike of his family;

ii) His speaking of his plans to kill his family and thereafter his confessions to his girlfriend, Julie Mugford;

iii) The finding of his mother's bicycle at Goldhanger;

iv) The appellant's admitted ability to effect covert entry into and exit from the farmhouse and the finding of the hacksaw blade outside the bathroom window. His claim to have entered the house in that way after the first arrest was an attempt to explain these findings;

v) Because on the facts of the case it could only have been the appellant or Sheila Caffell who carried out the killings, the factors below proved they were not the responsibility of the appellant's sister:

a) Although seriously mentally ill, there had been no indication of any deterioration in her mental health in the days before the killings. Neither had she expressed any recent suicidal thoughts and the expert evidence was that she would not have harmed her children or her father;

b) Save for the appellant nobody had seen her use a gun and she had no interest in them. Sheila Caffell also had very poor co-ordination and would not have been capable of loading and operating the rifle nor would she have had the required knowledge to do so;

c) She would not have been able physically to have overcome her father (who was fit, strong and 6' 4" tall) during the struggle which undoubtedly took place before his death in the kitchen;

d) Her hands and feet were clean. They were not blood stained and neither was there any sugar upon them;

e) Hand swabs from her body did not reveal the levels of lead to be expected in somebody who must have re-loaded the magazine of the gun on at least two occasions; and

f) Her clothing was relatively clean and she was not injured in the way that might be expected of somebody involved in a struggle. Her long fingernails were still intact and undamaged.

vi) The sound moderator had on any view been attached to the rifle during the fight with Nevill Bamber in the kitchen. But if Sheila Caffell had committed suicide it must have been removed before she shot herself. The following aspects of the evidence established it was still in place on the gun when the appellant's sister was murdered:

a) The blood grouping analysis proved (on the particular facts of the case) that Sheila Caffell's blood was inside the moderator; and

b) Had the appellant's sister murdered the other members of her family with the moderator attached to the gun and then discovered she could not reach the trigger to kill herself, the moderator would have been found next to her body. There would have been no reason for her to have removed it and returned it to the gun cupboard before going back upstairs to commit suicide in her parents' room.

vii) The appellant's account of the telephone call from his father could be proved to be false for the following reasons:

a) His father was too badly injured to have spoken to anybody;

b) The telephone in the kitchen was not obviously blood stained;

c) As a matter of common sense, Nevill Bamber would have called the police before the appellant;

d) Had the appellant really received such a call, he would have immediately made a 999 call, alerted the farm workers who lived close to the farmhouse and then driven at speed to his parents home; and

e) Instead he had spoken to Julie Mugford before calling the police. When he subsequently contacted the Police, it was not by way of the emergency system.

viii) He stood to inherit considerable sums of money.

[Alias]

Adam, please stop quoting posts that are already there. It is annoying.

[lookout]

 It's the same old bloody thing in all his posts---------nothing new or constructive at all.Boring !

[Adam]

There'd have been no case without the silencer !

Try to elaborate on you're sweeping statements.

[Alias]

How stupid Jeremy must have been! Wrapping up that bloody silencer with paint on it too and put it in the gun cupboard. Then forget all about it and hand the keys to Ann Eaton. How incredibly stupid!
How strange that five different officers looked into that cupboard and not one of them saw the silencer.

[lookout]

 Try doing it to your own !

[Adam]

NO,,there was NO evidence,NOT even with the silencer !!

[Adam]

How stupid Jeremy must have been! Wrapping up that bloody silencer with paint on it too and put it in the gun cupboard. Then forget all about it and hand the keys to Ann Eaton. How incredibly stupid!
How strange that five different officers looked into that cupboard and not one of them saw the silencer.

The silencer was in a box at the back of the gun cupboard.

Stan Jones had the keys to WHF. He asked the relatives to do some tidying up and cleaning.

The police were not looking for incriminating evidence.

[Alias]

The silencer was in a box at the back of the gun cupboard.

Stan Jones had the keys to WHF. He asked the relatives to do some tidying up and cleaning.

The police were not looking for incriminating evidence.

So what were they looking for - five times?

Jeremy wanted Ann Eaton to have the keys - I have just read it in her witness statement. No, I will not find it for you, so don´t say, source please.
It is in the archives - 72 pages....

[nugnug]

the relatives said there still enough evidence he was guilty without the silencer which i personally think was a fruedion slip,

[Alias]

the relatives said there still enough evidence he was guilty without the silencer which i personally think was a fruedion slip,

I see what you mean, but it would be nice to know the context.

[Adam]

So what were they looking for - five times?

Jeremy wanted Ann Eaton to have the keys - I have just read it in her witness statement. No, I will not find it for you, so don´t say, source please.
It is in the archives - 72 pages....

Who 'gave' the relatives the keys ? Jeremy was probably abroad or in London.

Do you agree with Jeremy that the relatives framed him with the silencer.

[nugnug]

There'd have been no case without the silencer !

if the silencer evidence is discredited then also by default totally discredits the relatives so the case falls apart.