Where did Jeremy leave the rifle ?

[Jan]

Would guess that JM was jealous of Brett Collins, Lookout.
Brett Collins told the police he was sure Jeremy was innocent.  He also stated that Jeremy often broke down and became upset about his family during the time before his arrest.

I guess Brett could have been a thorn in her side because he would probably contradict all of her "revelations"

[maggie]

I guess Brett could have been a thorn in her side because he would probably contradict all of her "revelations"

Well Brett was with Jeremy after the murders far more than Julie was, he seemed to be more of a support to him and allowed him to be how he needed to be.  Wish I could find his interview notes.  I know Mike posted them but cant find them.

[scipio_usmc]

Well Brett was with Jeremy after the murders far more than Julie was, he seemed to be more of a support to him and allowed him to be how he needed to be.  Wish I could find his interview notes.  I know Mike posted them but cant find them.

Whether Brett was just his best bud or more is a matter of great speculation.

Some insist they were romantically involved not just hanging out to do guy stuff and hunt for chicks together. Some suggest he was a partner in crime as far as drug endeavors, the murders and even murders overseas.  Some suggest he was just out to use Jeremy so he could party hardy on Jeremy's dime. 

Julie clearly hoped he would settle down and marry her with the family out of the way.  Instead he just wanted to party.  Lord knows I had some wild friends but I wasn't hanging out with them by the time I was his age. Julie clearly decided she was not waiting for him anylonger hoping he would settle down and marry her.  Many women get to that point where they feel they wasted enough time on a relationship and to move on.  The amazing thing is she would probably have married him knowing he killed his family.  It took both killing his family and choosing to party instea dof settle down to get her to finally ditch him and what do women do when they no longer give a crap about you?  The tell all your dirty secrets and screw you over.  To be fair there are men who are assholes who do that too though.
Not only to ruin the reputaiton but there are are surprising number who love to reveal nude photos and videos of their exgirlfriends to screw them over. 

In her case it took that to get her to be morally upstanding and do what she should have done all along.  I don't endorse being an immature jerk and screwing an ex by revealing things that are no one else's business (when I see a brekaup of a famous couple and they keep their affairs private it actually gives be greater respect for them) but serious criminal behavior is a different matter. That is a secret that should not be kept and a confidence that should be betrayed.

Would I tell my wife if I murdered someone?  Hell no because I would not want to put her in the position of having to be scared of me, having to worry about what could happen, having to grapple with her conscience of wheither she should turn me in (which all are thinking about the impact on her) and finally the impact on me, that it could result in her leaving and/or turning me in. 

But I don't have a wife who would accompany me to rob my parents and think it is great. There are documented cases of wives and girlfriends who have kept some pretty horrible secrets. I can't imagine my wife being like any of them though.   
 

[Reader]

The cupboard door catch looks similar to this one.

[maggie]

The cupboard door catch looks similar to this one.

Yes, reader. As Caroline stated it was a catch quite similar to your photo, it held the door shut but it did not lock.

[maggie]

It is common knowledge Brett was gay, although don't see what that had to do with anything apart from the fact Julie found their friendship difficult, possibly making her jealous and unhappy. You are inferring that Julie dumped Jeremy but that is not accurate, there is no doubt it was the other way round and that Jeremy had wearied of Julie and ended the relationhip. You have put a spin on this claimimg it was the other way round but it won't wash. Julie was a hurt, scorned, dumped woman and very possibly she was looking for revenge as hurt and angry people often do, whether there was any truth in her story is a different issue, to me it seems difficult to believe as parts of it make little sense and her triumphant behaviour claiming her £25, 000 from the News of the World inferred victory rather than reflecting the tragedy of the deaths of 2 defenceless little boys and 3 adults.
Whether Jeremy is innocent or guilty Julie Mugford's behaviour was shameful from start to finish.

[lookout]

 I can't see why this mans' sexuality had anything whatsoever to do with the case,,but according to RWB,he made quite an issue of it ! Along with other irrelevancies !

Jeremy felt comfortable with Brett and also felt able to share his inner feelings with someone more understanding than a jealous woman full of spite.

[maggie]

I can't see why this mans' sexuality had anything whatsoever to do with the case,,but according to RWB,he made quite an issue of it ! Along with other irrelevancies !

Jeremy felt comfortable with Brett and also felt able to share his inner feelings with someone more understanding than a jealous woman full of spite.

It certainly should not have but RWB and his ilk tried to use Jeremy's sexuality as some sort of proof of depravity which is hard to beliee, after all 1985 was not the middle ages and it says more about RWB and friends than about Jeremy or Brett.

[grahameb]

Whether Brett was just his best bud or more is a matter of great speculation.

Some insist they were romantically involved not just hanging out to do guy stuff and hunt for chicks together. Some suggest he was a partner in crime as far as drug endeavors, the murders and even murders overseas.  Some suggest he was just out to use Jeremy so he could party hardy on Jeremy's dime. 

Julie clearly hoped he would settle down and marry her with the family out of the way.  Instead he just wanted to party.  Lord knows I had some wild friends but I wasn't hanging out with them by the time I was his age. Julie clearly decided she was not waiting for him anylonger hoping he would settle down and marry her.  Many women get to that point where they feel they wasted enough time on a relationship and to move on.  The amazing thing is she would probably have married him knowing he killed his family.  It took both killing his family and choosing to party instea dof settle down to get her to finally ditch him and what do women do when they no longer give a crap about you?  The tell all your dirty secrets and screw you over.  To be fair there are men who are assholes who do that too though.
Not only to ruin the reputaiton but there are are surprising number who love to reveal nude photos and videos of their exgirlfriends to screw them over. 

In her case it took that to get her to be morally upstanding and do what she should have done all along.  I don't endorse being an immature jerk and screwing an ex by revealing things that are no one else's business (when I see a brekaup of a famous couple and they keep their affairs private it actually gives be greater respect for them) but serious criminal behavior is a different matter. That is a secret that should not be kept and a confidence that should be betrayed.

Would I tell my wife if I murdered someone?  Hell no because I would not want to put her in the position of having to be scared of me, having to worry about what could happen, having to grapple with her conscience of wheither she should turn me in (which all are thinking about the impact on her) and finally the impact on me, that it could result in her leaving and/or turning me in. 

But I don't have a wife who would accompany me to rob my parents and think it is great. There are documented cases of wives and girlfriends who have kept some pretty horrible secrets. I can't imagine my wife being like any of them though.   
 

It is strange that Jeremy never reciprocated.

[lookout]

It certainly should not have but RWB and his ilk tried to use Jeremy's sexuality as some sort of proof of depravity which is hard to beliee, after all 1985 was not the middle ages and it says more about RWB and friends than about Jeremy or Brett.

Maggie,can you imagine that being voiced in a courtroom today ?

[grahameb]

Yes, reader. As Caroline stated it was a catch quite similar to your photo, it held the door shut but it did not lock.

The Bambers it appears were not a very safety conscious family in regards to guns it appears. Me, I won't have a gun in the house even though it would be securely locked away. I've seen too many accidents with guns. Even when I see a knife left out I quickly put it back in the draw. My attitude probably stems from when my kids were young. I've seen some of my American friends (where gun control in some States are not very stringent. How they let their young kids play with guns. One of my friends who was the manager in a funeral service had to deal with a mother and father once where their youngest son about 15 was playing with his father's shotgun and his friend blew his head off with it. Personally I can't see people's fascination with guns?

[grahameb]

It certainly should not have but RWB and his ilk tried to use Jeremy's sexuality as some sort of proof of depravity which is hard to beliee, after all 1985 was not the middle ages and it says more about RWB and friends than about Jeremy or Brett.

RWB used every trick in the book to denigrate Jeremy's character. He went to granny Speakman's house to get her to change her will so as to exclude Jeremy from it. He was careful not to include himself in her will so he could say in court that he would in no way benefit from her will. But he put his wife's name in it instead.
Pamela however was a decent person. She was included in June's will. But would not accept it, saying that she would not want to benefit in any way from the death's of her family.

[lookout]

 The whole case was built on discrimination from start to finish. Nobody liked Jeremy,nor his friend. I don't think it would go down well today,somehow.

Don't like that man,he's a public schoolboy,talks " posh " ( whatever that is ) is well off,wears Hugo Boss suits,dines at the best restaurants, is arrogant,etc etc------------------let's jail him,he's in the way !!

[grahameb]

The whole case was built on discrimination from start to finish. Nobody liked Jeremy,nor his friend. I don't think it would go down well today,somehow.

Don't like that man,he's a public schoolboy,talks " posh " ( whatever that is ) is well off,wears Hugo Boss suits,dines at the best restaurants, is arrogant,etc etc------------------let's jail him,he's in the way !!

Well I certainly detect a dynamic thrust against Jeremy where the relatives were concerned, which appeared to be spearheaded by RWB. If others are honest they would confess this as well. I will go further. I still think this is going on to this day? There is far too much effort on the part of some guilters that it is almost unbelievable that they go to so much effort in order to prove Jeremy guilty AGAIN, when he is securely behind bars. I also have it on very good authority that the relatives are still afraid that some evidence may turn up that will free Jeremy. Have you noticed that when a CCRC decision is near. Or where there is a new book coming out etc that both Vic and Hartley turn up on the forum. Believe me the family are still very much afraid. They are practically hoping that he will somehow die so they can at last have some peace from him.

[lookout]

 Indeed,Grahame,and why should,or would anyone be afraid if there happens to be new evidence ? I'd question their " fear " for a start,,though we know what that's about and so do they ! The only harm done would be to the pockets of those who put him where he is,that's if Jeremy ever persues the matter.

I've noticed lots of things Grahame,particularly those who leap onto the forum from nowhere,though I suspect that the relatives are kept well-informed anyway by these messengers.

I wonder if arrangements to flee to the Isle of Man are still pending if Jeremy is freed ? This is where the relatives said that they'd move to. Strange how all the " birds have flown ",or are intending to scarper when that day comes.

They've already complained to EP how the justice system is letting THEM down ! First when Jeremy was downgraded in prison,then the fact that Jeremy tried to sue them a few years ago,for lost earnings regarding the caravan site,I think and because he was already inside,he wasn't allowed to continue,but he was told that there'd be consideration given on his release,so all is not over for him there.
That would be quite a few years back pay. No wonder they're scared ! Nothing whatsoever to do with the mans persona. I wonder if EP will be taken-in again. The old Patriarch won't be there next time !