The police's 'late late' framing decision. Why was it taken ?

[nugnug]

he could they be wealthy they couldent aford to buy there own farms.

[Jan]

if the relatives were wealthy how come they had to approach nevile.

to get him to buy the land why couldn't they have done it themselves.

were there not outstanding loans as well ? 

[Adam]

Stan Jones gave Ann Eaton the keys to WHF. This was to do some cleaning. 

Ann Eaton and other relatives attended WHF. Finding a silencer hidden away in the gun cupboard. Basil Cock & Barbara Wilson were also present. The silencer had blood & paint on according to the relatives. 

The silencer was handed to Stan Jones within two days.  

In court it was never suggested the silencer was contaminated or was unsafe evidence. Jeremy suggested this decades later. Claiming his surviving family framed him. The relatives did not do this for money. Jeremys own Youtube video said they were already rich with no reason to lie. They also had no criminal record as far as I know. 

If the silencer did not have blood & paint on, the relatives, in two days had to - 

1: Decide in unison to attempt to frame Jeremy. All be confident in each other that no one will crack under pressure. They all had to agree to commit a serious crime & risk criminal charges. 

2: Find out about back splatter. 

3: Find out if any shots were contact shots which would produce back splatter. 

4: Find out Sheila's blood type. 

5: Find out if the rifle end had blood on it. Meaning a silencer was not used & they could not frame Jeremy. 

6: Get blood which is very close to Sheilas. Assisting in getting a conviction.  

7: Find out how to effectivly & realistically put the correct blood into the silencer baffles. 

8: Get the right equipment to transfer the found blood into the silencer. 

9:  Go back to WHF and effectivly put paint onto the silencer. 



Do people believe this was doable in two days ? 

[nugnug]

were there not outstanding loans as well ?

yes i belive they were they couldent aford to pay nevile back.

[lookout]

 You forgot to mention that Jeremy declined his visit to WHF so soon after the tragedy because he was possibly squeamish about going in--------------but not squeamish enough to " murder 5 people ",eh ?

I notice the relatives didn't refuse the offer !! Goodness me,they hadn't been inside the place 5 minutes when they found a silencer,key to the safe,a file,blood on a window-sill,and whatever else they could find to help police with their enquiries,as it was the force of RWB who " bullied " the police into changing their minds on the verdict,,so they had to find as much " incriminating " evidence as they could muster in order to justify everyones' change of mind.

[Bambergate]

After supporting Jeremy for one month, the police made a complete U turn and decided to frame him. Instructing the lab technicians to expertly put incriminating blood in the silencer.

This of course meant several policemen wanted to ruin an innocent man's life, reputation and freedom. An innocent man who had just lost his family as well.

Taff Jones was against this. But had no evidence of Jeremy's innocence. Or did he ? But then why didn't he take that evidence to higher bodies ? Or were they also in on it ?

The police were in a no win situation. Get a 'guilty' verdict and face severe criticism in getting it wrong in the beginning. Get a 'not guilty' verdict and face even more criticism. Jeremy may even sue. There was also the chance of the framing attempt being discovered. Meaning dozens of police officers and lab technicians being prosecuted.

There was no financial incentive to frame. And it was a lot more work for everyone involved. Everyone relying on each other to not retract or make a mistake.

Why do people think the police went for the 'late late' frame ?

In one word family either do as they wanted or they would expose EP to be lieing they knew Antony's gun had been used and about the training exercise.
David now knows what they have done but how can he ever admit it prison loss of assets and breaking his family in the process await him what would you do in his shoes.
I have asked him to reconsider but I know he can not unwind his mistake I fell sorry for him.

[guest154]

David now knows what they have done but how can he ever admit it prison loss of assets and breaking his family in the process await him what would you do in his shoes.
I have asked him to reconsider but I know he can not unwind his mistake I fell sorry for him.

Pure rubbish, Bambergate. I can guarentee you if you had presented this to David he would of told you where to go! In fact I doubt you'd even have the oppurtunity to present anything.

[Jan]

Stan Jones gave Ann Eaton the keys to WHF. This was to do some cleaning.

Ann Eaton and other relatives attended WHF. Finding a silencer hidden away in the gun cupboard. Basil Cock & Barbara Wilson were also present. The silencer had blood & paint on according to the relatives.

The silencer was handed to Stan Jones within two days. 

In court it was never suggested the silencer was contaminated or was unsafe evidence. Jeremy suggested this decades later. Claiming his surviving family framed him. The relatives did not do this for money. Jeremys own Youtube video said they were already rich with no reason to lie. They also had no criminal record as far as I know.

If the silencer did not have blood & paint on, the relatives, in two days had to -

1: Decide in unison to attempt to frame Jeremy. All be confident in each other that no one will crack under pressure. They all had to agree to commit a serious crime & risk criminal charges.

2: Find out about back splatter.

3: Find out if any shots were contact shots which would produce back splatter.

4: Find out Sheila's blood type.

5: Find out if the rifle end had blood on it. Meaning a silencer was not used & they could not frame Jeremy.

6: Get blood which is very close to Sheilas. Assisting in getting a conviction. 

7: Find out how to effectivly & realistically put the correct blood into the silencer baffles.

8: Get the right equipment to transfer the found blood into the silencer.

9:  Go back to WHF and effectivly put paint onto the silencer.



Do people believe this was doable in two days ?

so why on his thread is there a record of reporting the silencer on 1oth sept  and why in anne eatons statement of 14th august does she not mention finding the silencer AT ALL?
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,415.msg216524.html#msg216524

[Jane]

In one word family either do as they wanted or they would expose EP to be lieing they knew Antony's gun had been used and about the training exercise.
David now knows what they have done but how can he ever admit it prison loss of assets and breaking his family in the process await him what would you do in his shoes.
I have asked him to reconsider but I know he can not unwind his mistake I fell sorry for him.

 Having formed my own opinion of David, what you say doesn't surprise me in the least. I have always felt he was above all, that which his father demanded of him, a dutiful and obedient son, a view I understand to be shared, but not put as politely, by someone who has been a long time friend. I would be interested to know how much of David's feelings are shared by Ann.

[nugnug]

You forgot to mention that Jeremy declined his visit to WHF so soon after the tragedy because he was possibly squeamish about going in--------------but not squeamish enough to " murder 5 people ",eh ?

I notice the relatives didn't refuse the offer !! Goodness me,they hadn't been inside the place 5 minutes when they found a silencer,key to the safe,a file,blood on a window-sill,and whatever else they could find to help police with their enquiries,as it was the force of RWB who " bullied " the police into changing their minds on the verdict,,so they had to find as much " incriminating " evidence as they could muster in order to justify everyones' change of mind.

well you wouldent want to viset would you.

[lookout]

well you wouldent want to viset would you.

No,I certainly wouldn't,nugs. It would have taken me all my time to have gone in there again. After all,it wasn't as though the Bambers owned the property,so there was no real attachment to it.

[Adam]

so why on his thread is there a record of reporting the silencer on 1oth sept  and why in anne eatons statement of 14th august does she not mention finding the silencer AT ALL?
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,415.msg216524.html#msg216524

Wilkes's book has the silencer being found on August 11th. And handed in before the 14th August.

Sounds right to me. The police would have finished with WHF. It was murder/suicide after all. September is too long a wait.

And the relatives did not ask for the key. Or need Jeremy's permission. Stan Jones gave them the keys and asked them to do some cleaning and tidying up. They then attended with the family lawyer & BW.

Yes they did look for evidence. They did not believe Sheila was capable of the massacre.

[nugnug]

No,I certainly wouldn't,nugs. It would have taken me all my time to have gone in there again. After all,it wasn't as though the Bambers owned the property,so there was no real attachment to it.

no i doubt if i would want to go in there ever again.

[lookout]

no i doubt if i would want to go in there ever again.

The thought would be with you for life. Different when you don't know the previous tenant/s.
The Bambers tragedy was the third one at that property,,so I'd have avoided it like the plague.

[grahameb]

To put it in just a few words, If Jeremy was to inherit everything, which was likely, they would end up with nothing and not only their livelyhoods were in danger, but also the very places they lived. I'm not saying they did, but they had a real reason to put Jeremy in the frame for murder. The strange thing is that they tried from the very beginning to accuse Jeremy. That in itself is a very strange thing for a family to do? But then again since he was the "Cuckoo" in the nest?