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Jodi trial: brother 'alone in house' Court hears porn admission

Thursday 13 January 2005 / News
     

THE brother of the teenager accused of killing Jodi Jones thought he was alone in his house on the afternoon of her death, a court heard yesterday.

Shane Mitchell, 23, told the High Court he arrived at the family home just before 5pm, about 50 minutes after his brother, Luke, answered a call from his mobile phone to the house landline. Mr Mitchell said he then watched internet pornography in his bedroom and masturbated.

Luke Mitchell's alibi claims he was at home between 5pm and 5.45pm that day.

His brother, a mechanic, told the court he did not remember seeing or hearing anyone until his mother arrived home from work a short time after 5.16pm.

Alan Turnbull, QC, advocate depute, asked Shane Mitchell what he was doing during the internet session. He said he could not remember.

The lawyer then confronted him with photographs of Jodi's mutilated body. Shane Mitchell was visibly shocked and asked for a break. He sat down and drank from a glass of water.

"You look a bit horrified, " said Mr Turnbull. "They are not pleasant, I know, but the reason I have asked you to look at these is so you can appreciate what you are dealing with.


"I can't let embarrassment stand in the way of getting to the bottom of this."

Mr Mitchell, referring to the internet pictures, agreed that he would not normally look at such graphic images, had anyone else been home. He added that he thought he masturbated at the time.

Mr Turnbull said: "Would you have been content to have watched this

sort of pornography in that room without a lock on the door, and to have masturbated if someone else was in the house?"

"No, " he said.

"Accordingly, who did you think was in the house?"

Mr Mitchell replied: "No one at that time." He added that he did not hear music being played in Luke's bedroom or the dining room.

"If you had done, you would have recalled you weren't alone, " said Mr Turnbull.

"We come then to where we were a wee while ago, which is this: When you went on the computer to access pornography sites, you thought that the house was empty?"

"Yes, " came the answer.

Mr Turnbull asked: "I want you to reflect on the question whether Luke was there when you went downstairs. Do you think he was there?"

"I don't know,
" he said.

The court heard that Luke Mitchell gave a statement to police on July 4, 2003, claiming he had had dinner with his mother, but not his brother, before leaving to meet Jodi that evening. He has previously told police he was at home until 5.30pm or 5.40pm.

     
Luke Mitchell, 16, denies murdering Jodi with a knife or similar instrument on June 30, 2003, and has lodged two special defences of alibi and incrimination. He claims that at the time he was in or around his house at Newbattle Abbey Crescent, Dalkeith, and Jodi was murdered by person or persons unknown.

The trial continues.

We now find out that according to Luke Mitchells witness statement, he had had dinner with his mother, but not his brother, before leaving to meet Jodi that evening...

Does anybody know what the mothers account regarding this is / was?
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Why did Luke Mitchell kill? His mother holds a clue

AS EVER, the mother is key. Corinne Mitchell is at the heart of the mystery;

the answer to many questions. She is one person who can help explain why Luke Mitchell was able to become the monster he is - indeed, she perhaps understands better than the boy himself, for in her unhealthy relationship with him lies one explanation for his vile and violent actions.

I don't buy this "Luke was evil" stuff.

I think, too, that the focus on Marilyn Manson is to some degree a smokescreen; a frenzy of populist scaremongering about unpleasant teenage culture. Tens of thousands of youngsters adore Marilyn Manson; they don't become murderers. These things are far too facile. No, much of the blame for this tragedy must lie in what went wrong, a long time ago, in the boy's deepest emotional development.

You are what your childhood makes you. If we give credence to the basic psychological tenet that a child's connection with its mother is the biggest inf luence of all in shaping its adult life - as we should - then Corinne Mitchell must bear much responsibility for allowing a 14-year-old boy to become so disturbed that he could kill and maim the way he did. The "why?" is a question many would like her to answer.

It is abundantly clear that things were dreadfully amiss in the Mitchell household: there appears, from the evidence in court, beneath the wellmaintained, affluent surface, to have been a spiritual and psychological squalor which manifested itself in violence, pornography, underage sex, drug-taking, lack of cleanliness and an unusual physical intimacy between son and mother. The trial appeared to expose them as people adrift, cut off from normal emotional and behavioural frameworks.

According to the evidence in the trial, Mrs Mitchell, whose husband had moved out when Luke was 11, apparently had abrogated the role of parent. Friends say Luke "replaced his father and became the man of the family". It was exposed in court that this was a house where anything went.

Her elder son sat at home and looked at pornography on the internet during the day. Luke, her younger son and the favourite, was a little emperor. She did not appear to discipline him, or impose any limits on his behaviour.

She bought him knives. She lied for him. At home, he was allowed to sleep with underage girls; he smoked cannabis; he kept bottles of urine in his bedroom, which was described as a hovel. He stored computers on his bed and appeared to doss on a mattress on the f loor.

When the police came to arrest Luke, he was in his mother's bedroom with her. She claimed he was upset and she was comforting him. She betrayed her intense physical closeness to her son whenever they appeared in public: during the interview he gave to Sky News, she constantly stroked his neck and clung to him.

What motherwould publicly allow herself to caress her son's neck and face like that? And what 14-year-old son would, just as publicly, allow it to happen? During their controversial visit to Jodi's grave, the pair stood face to face in intimate embrace. Had you not known they were mother and son, you could almost have confused them for girlfriend and boyfriend.

Ian Stephen, a lecturer in forensic psychology at Glasgow Caledonian University and a criminal psychologist, is quoted as saying: "The whole relationship comes across as something quite different from normal. It is almost over-close. You are left with the impression that the son has almost taken on a partner's role. She is almost more like a girlfriend than a mother."

To witness Mrs Mitchell visiting her son in Polmont, the day after he was found guilty, was to be struck by how inappropriately she was dressed: in tight jeans, thigh-high boots, bare midriff. Again, this seemed a strange choice, given her very public role at the trial. It was hardly maternal.

Her conduct from the time of the murder to the conviction appears to suggest that her son, a mere child, had been handed inappropriate control in their relationship. At a time when a 14-year-old boy needs discipline, standards and a strong moral lead, it would appear Corinne Mitchell offered none of these things. Did her relationship with him tip over into a form of abuse?

No-one is saying that. But we can look at the facts which emerged from the trial and judge that this mother-son relationship was beyond the ken of what we recognise as normal.

Corinne Mitchell's own background is not straightforward. She is adopted; her adoptive parents were said to be from a travelling family who had settled south of Edinburgh and started a caravan business. She reportedly has a reputation for being confrontational and anti-authoritarian;

did she carry emotional scars from her own childhood into parenthood?

What went wrong between her and her younger son is something we will never know for sure. Only psychology can decipher the code of their unusual relationship. Many psychologists have written of the tension between parent and child; the established tenets of the science say that children denied appropriate parenting face difficulties trying to live a normal life or understand normal constraints. This would appear to explain why Luke Mitchell seemed to lack any moral roadmap in his life.

In psychological terms, it is often considered that a healthy, loving and supportive mother-son relationship is the most important thing necessary to provide the world with the historical and emotional foundations of culture, law, civility . . . and decency.

Even if we only accept this in the broadest terms, the theory has resonance in Jodi's murder, where these essential qualities were apparently absent in Luke Mitchell.

The modern theories of analysis say that a child's emotional life is inextricably bound up from the earliest age in a triangular relationship between themselves, their mother and their father. When things go wrong between the adults, or between parent and child, the child suffers anxieties and guilt. They feel at risk, excluded, responsible.

Nobody knows what Luke Mitchell went through as a little boy when his family fell apart. But it seems that something went drastically wrong after his father, an electrician, moved away.

In this way, broken families can create chaotic, fragmented lives. In this age of divorce, psychologists describe children "lost" because of estrangement between parents. "They cannot get on in life, because there is no living relationship in the lee of which they can prosper. Sometimes they stay very still, lest the stasis give way to something far worse, " says Robert Young, from the Centre for Psychotherapeutic Studies at Sheffield University. The tragedy is that Luke Mitchell, a boy psychologically severed from decency and appropriate behaviour, did not stay very still. And that "something far worse" did indeed happen.
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Mike, I know your opinion is that Shane has apparently changed his story to set up his brother because of his own guilt. But for me Shane's changing story is about the only thing that makes me doubt Luke's innocence. It seems to me as if Shane does all he can to BE an alibi for Luke even when he is tripped up/embarrassed on the stand. He refuses to point blank say that Luke wasn't at home even though his testimony makes it sound like he knew he was. It does seem unlikely, to me, that Luke could be home without Shane knowing but it's far from impossible.

I can't speak to why he isn't actively involved in Luke's campaign. Maybe he doesn't think there's anything he could do or maybe it's because he knows Luke is guilty. I have no idea.

But as far as I'm aware as weak as the case against Luke is, a case against Shane is non existent.

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Worth a read imo and relevant to other cases like this...

http://www.alleydog.com/topics/child-psychology.php
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Yet Sandra Says the following?

"Shane had a very regular girlfriend. He didn't introduce porn, the police did, 10 months later, from internet records. "Watching porn" is also very misleading - records show he connected with a number of car sites, with what appear to be "pop ups" of a few seconds each appearing intermittently over the 15 minutes or so the internet was connected. These are the "porn sites" which allowed the prosecution to introduce the whole "watching porn" story in order to undermine Luke's alibi."

I am interested in the 15 minute window relating to 'the internet connection', do you, or anybody else know, or is there a record when the internet was accessed, and switched off?
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We now find out that according to Luke Mitchells witness statement, he had had dinner with his mother, but not his brother, before leaving to meet Jodi that evening...

Does anybody know what the mothers account regarding this is / was?

The power of the half-story. He didn't have dinner with Shane, because Shane took his dinner up to his room - Luke and Corinne ate downstairs.

You'll notice as well from the article that's been posted here a few times now that it says:
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Mr Mitchell, referring to the internet pictures, agreed that he would not normally look at such graphic images, had anyone else been home. He added that he thought he masturbated at the time.

He's looking at pictures, rather than "watching porn" which appears to confirm the "pop up" nature of the sites in question.

Also "He added that he thought he masturbated at the time" - please! 23 year old guy, on the stand with scores of media waiting to report just casually throws in this piece of information. I have the exact  wording of this part of the evidence in my notes somewhere - I'll look it out and post it verbatim.

It was never suggested that Shane "checked the house" to see if anyone was in - he came in, went straight upstairs to his room, stopping to wash his hands on the way

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But for me Shane's changing story is about the only thing that makes me doubt Luke's innocence. It seems to me as if Shane does all he can to BE an alibi for Luke even when he is tripped up/embarrassed on the stand. He refuses to point blank say that Luke wasn't at home even though his testimony makes it sound like he knew he was. It does seem unlikely, to me, that Luke could be home without Shane knowing but it's far from impossible

I understand this - it does seem a bit strange, at first glance. However, first glance doesn't factor in the treatment of Shane at the hands of the police prior to trial. He was threatened that a memory that was not 100% accurate in every detail would see him convicted of perverting the course of justice. He was threatened that, if he could not 100% back up any claim he made on the stand, he was going down. Given that the police repeatedly told him they would not accept "I think so," "to the best of my recollection," "I'm fairly sure that's what happened," "that's pretty much how I remember it," and so on, demanding instead concrete Yes or No answers against this backdrop of dire threats if he got a single thing "wrong," it doesn't really surprise me that Shane was not only utterly confused, but completely intimidated before he even took the oath.


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I understand this - it does seem a bit strange, at first glance. However, first glance doesn't factor in the treatment of Shane at the hands of the police prior to trial. He was threatened that a memory that was not 100% accurate in every detail would see him convicted of perverting the course of justice. He was threatened that, if he could not 100% back up any claim he made on the stand, he was going down. Given that the police repeatedly told him they would not accept "I think so," "to the best of my recollection," "I'm fairly sure that's what happened," "that's pretty much how I remember it," and so on, demanding instead concrete Yes or No answers against this backdrop of dire threats if he got a single thing "wrong," it doesn't really surprise me that Shane was not only utterly confused, but completely intimidated before he even took the oath.

Yes, agreed. His treatment at the hands of the police makes it difficult to fully rely on any of his statements and, for me, excuses a lot of the issues with this alibi. But what he says on the stand, even though it's high pressure and humiliating, is presumably the truth and it's not a great alibi, is it? "He could have been in." I for one would appreciate his evidence verbatim if you do find those notes.

Did Luke mention Shane being in in his statements? I know that article says that Luke said he ate with his Mother but did he mention Shane eating upstairs? What are Shane's movements after dinner? If the clothes burning happened would he have been in to see it?

I think we should also remember that his Mother's alibi was never disproved. And while I can see a Mum willing to give a false alibi to protect a child, surely not even a Mum would for a crime this gruesome. Maybe I'm wrong.

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This is one of the reasons the  Luke's website had ot be taken down - I no longer have access to the papers so, if I don't have notes about something, I can't post sources, allowing people to do exactly as Lithium has done here.

From memory, which is the best I can do, as I don't have notes, all of the quotes I commented on were confirmed as having come from song lyrics, computer games or t shirts.

From memory, which is the best I can do, there were a number of topics which students could choose from, of which "The existence of God" was one. It is going to get very wearing if I have to add "from memory, which is the best I can do" to everything that I no longer have paperwork for.

I thought you didn't have notes Sandra? Or was it just on this occasion?  ::)

And the excuse for why Luke's website had to be taken down doesn't make sense either? Surely the same applies when you are asked questions on this forum? Something doesn't sound right? What am I missing?
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The power of the half-story. He didn't have dinner with Shane, because Shane took his dinner up to his room - Luke and Corinne ate downstairs.

You'll notice as well from the article that's been posted here a few times now that it says:
He's looking at pictures, rather than "watching porn" which appears to confirm the "pop up" nature of the sites in question.

Also "He added that he thought he masturbated at the time" - please! 23 year old guy, on the stand with scores of media waiting to report just casually throws in this piece of information. I have the exact  wording of this part of the evidence in my notes somewhere - I'll look it out and post it verbatim.

It was never suggested that Shane "checked the house" to see if anyone was in - he came in, went straight upstairs to his room, stopping to wash his hands on the way

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I understand this - it does seem a bit strange, at first glance. However, first glance doesn't factor in the treatment of Shane at the hands of the police prior to trial. He was threatened that a memory that was not 100% accurate in every detail would see him convicted of perverting the course of justice. He was threatened that, if he could not 100% back up any claim he made on the stand, he was going down. Given that the police repeatedly told him they would not accept "I think so," "to the best of my recollection," "I'm fairly sure that's what happened," "that's pretty much how I remember it," and so on, demanding instead concrete Yes or No answers against this backdrop of dire threats if he got a single thing "wrong," it doesn't really surprise me that Shane was not only utterly confused, but completely intimidated before he even took the oath.

Who told you Shane ate his dinner upstairs?
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I thought you didn't have notes Sandra? Or was it just on this occasion?  ::)

She literally says "if I don't have notes on something" in the thing you have quoted.

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She literally says "if I don't have notes on something" in the thing you have quoted.

Can't Sandra answer for herself?

Maybe she'll search out her notes with regards the song lyrics, and other quotes she refers to then when she's looking up her notes for Shane's evidence.


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Why did Luke Mitchell kil

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12402619.Why_did_Luke_Mitchell_kill__His_mother_holds_a_clue/

This is very interesting, thanks Steph.

Yes Maggie it is interesting especially as Sandra talked to me about some of her concerns regarding the Mitchell family and dysfunction - some of those concerns are written in this article.
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Can't Sandra answer for herself?

Maybe she'll search out her notes with regards the song lyrics, and other quotes she refers to then when she's looking up her notes for Shane's evidence.

I'm sure she can but the answer was right in front of you. It says she has notes on some stuff and the rest has to be from memory. Seemed fair enough.

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Why did Luke Mitchell kill? His mother holds a clue

Tuesday 25 January 2005 / News
     
AS EVER, the mother is key. Corinne Mitchell is at the heart of the mystery;

the answer to many questions. She is one person who can help explain why Luke Mitchell was able to become the monster he is - indeed, she perhaps understands better than the boy himself, for in her unhealthy relationship with him lies one explanation for his vile and violent actions.

I don't buy this "Luke was evil" stuff.

I think, too, that the focus on Marilyn Manson is to some degree a smokescreen; a frenzy of populist scaremongering about unpleasant teenage culture. Tens of thousands of youngsters adore Marilyn Manson; they don't become murderers. These things are far too facile. No, much of the blame for this tragedy must lie in what went wrong, a long time ago, in the boy's deepest emotional development.

You are what your childhood makes you. If we give credence to the basic psychological tenet that a child's connection with its mother is the biggest inf luence of all in shaping its adult life - as we should - then Corinne Mitchell must bear much responsibility for allowing a 14-year-old boy to become so disturbed that he could kill and maim the way he did. The "why?" is a question many would like her to answer.

It is abundantly clear that things were dreadfully amiss in the Mitchell household: there appears, from the evidence in court, beneath the wellmaintained, affluent surface, to have been a spiritual and psychological squalor which manifested itself in violence, pornography, underage sex, drug-taking, lack of cleanliness and an unusual physical intimacy between son and mother. The trial appeared to expose them as people adrift, cut off from normal emotional and behavioural frameworks.

According to the evidence in the trial, Mrs Mitchell, whose husband had moved out when Luke was 11, apparently had abrogated the role of parent. Friends say Luke "replaced his father and became the man of the family". It was exposed in court that this was a house where anything went.

Her elder son sat at home and looked at pornography on the internet during the day. Luke, her younger son and the favourite, was a little emperor. She did not appear to discipline him, or impose any limits on his behaviour.

She bought him knives. She lied for him. At home, he was allowed to sleep with underage girls; he smoked cannabis; he kept bottles of urine in his bedroom, which was described as a hovel. He stored computers on his bed and appeared to doss on a mattress on the f loor.

When the police came to arrest Luke, he was in his mother's bedroom with her. She claimed he was upset and she was comforting him. She betrayed her intense physical closeness to her son whenever they appeared in public: during the interview he gave to Sky News, she constantly stroked his neck and clung to him.

What motherwould publicly allow herself to caress her son's neck and face like that? And what 14-year-old son would, just as publicly, allow it to happen? During their controversial visit to Jodi's grave, the pair stood face to face in intimate embrace. Had you not known they were mother and son, you could almost have confused them for girlfriend and boyfriend.

Ian Stephen, a lecturer in forensic psychology at Glasgow Caledonian University and a criminal psychologist, is quoted as saying: "The whole relationship comes across as something quite different from normal. It is almost over-close. You are left with the impression that the son has almost taken on a partner's role. She is almost more like a girlfriend than a mother."

To witness Mrs Mitchell visiting her son in Polmont, the day after he was found guilty, was to be struck by how inappropriately she was dressed: in tight jeans, thigh-high boots, bare midriff. Again, this seemed a strange choice, given her very public role at the trial. It was hardly maternal.

Her conduct from the time of the murder to the conviction appears to suggest that her son, a mere child, had been handed inappropriate control in their relationship. At a time when a 14-year-old boy needs discipline, standards and a strong moral lead, it would appear Corinne Mitchell offered none of these things. Did her relationship with him tip over into a form of abuse?

No-one is saying that. But we can look at the facts which emerged from the trial and judge that this mother-son relationship was beyond the ken of what we recognise as normal.

Corinne Mitchell's own background is not straightforward. She is adopted; her adoptive parents were said to be from a travelling family who had settled south of Edinburgh and started a caravan business. She reportedly has a reputation for being confrontational and anti-authoritarian;

did she carry emotional scars from her own childhood into parenthood?

What went wrong between her and her younger son is something we will never know for sure. Only psychology can decipher the code of their unusual relationship. Many psychologists have written of the tension between parent and child; the established tenets of the science say that children denied appropriate parenting face difficulties trying to live a normal life or understand normal constraints. This would appear to explain why Luke Mitchell seemed to lack any moral roadmap in his life.

In psychological terms, it is often considered that a healthy, loving and supportive mother-son relationship is the most important thing necessary to provide the world with the historical and emotional foundations of culture, law, civility . . . and decency.

Even if we only accept this in the broadest terms, the theory has resonance in Jodi's murder, where these essential qualities were apparently absent in Luke Mitchell.

The modern theories of analysis say that a child's emotional life is inextricably bound up from the earliest age in a triangular relationship between themselves, their mother and their father. When things go wrong between the adults, or between parent and child, the child suffers anxieties and guilt. They feel at risk, excluded, responsible.
     
Nobody knows what Luke Mitchell went through as a little boy when his family fell apart. But it seems that something went drastically wrong after his father, an electrician, moved away.

In this way, broken families can create chaotic, fragmented lives. In this age of divorce, psychologists describe children "lost" because of estrangement between parents. "They cannot get on in life, because there is no living relationship in the lee of which they can prosper. Sometimes they stay very still, lest the stasis give way to something far worse, " says Robert Young, from the Centre for Psychotherapeutic Studies at Sheffield University. The tragedy is that Luke Mitchell, a boy psychologically severed from decency and appropriate behaviour, did not stay very still. And that "something far worse" did indeed happen
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