The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003

[marty]

She was caught last year without MOT allegedly on her car so I don't see what point you are making?

I also stuck to the facts of the case In the SH case Sandra, mainly going by the case papers, court documents, and police evidence etc but I was wrong (As were the police with some  of their theories and many many professional individuals who had seen all the case files). You could be too.

She got caught with no mot years later, so you have no point.
This is a luke mitchell thread, can you discuss sh elsewhere.

[marty]

Oh, good grief. Mia, the dog, was lying on the couch. Corinne was in the kitchen where she had just started cooking her dinner - she hadn't eaten it yet because it wasn't cooked yet. She would have had approximately two minutes or so to have a drink because I had followed her down the road in my car (unbeknown to her.)

And yes, I only have the word of others - Jodi's own family members! Are you suggesting they lied in the first month of the investigation? That they mistook Mia doing things they could describe in detail for things she never did?

I don't know why you are bothering, talk about banging your head against a brick wall.

[sandra L]

yes it comes from the computer game max pain.

Thanks nugnug - for the life of me, I couldn't remember the name of the computer game!!!

[Stephanie]

Thanks nugnug - for the life of me, I couldn't remember the name of the computer game!!!

And computer games can be the source of problems with pathology.

Have you seen the movie Gamechangers? Worth a watch imo. http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Daniel-Radcliffe-Making-Movie-About-Grand-Theft-Auto-Creator-70809.html

[sandra L]

I don't know why you are bothering, talk about banging your head against a brick wall.

I'm bothering because people like you, Baz and nugnug (sorry if I've missed anyone) actually seem to want to discuss the case intelligently and respectfully. I'm fairly sure there are others out there who are interested, who read but don't post - I just like to make sure they have as much information as possible so that they can make up their own minds.

Its not about trying to "convince" anyone of anything (and especially not Stephanie, John or Lithium) - I'm just here passing on information, correcting wrong information, pointing out flaws in arguments where I see them - people are, of course, free to make whatever they will of that.

If I don't do this, then it's all the false and misleading inforrmation that gets left out there, and that's what people are left with to draw their conclusions from - that just doesn't sit right with me.

[sandra L]

And computer games can be the source of problems with pathology.

Have you seen the movie Gamechangers? Worth a watch imo. http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Daniel-Radcliffe-Making-Movie-About-Grand-Theft-Auto-Creator-70809.html

Damn fine piece of academic research there. I mean, look, it even says:

This much-publicized conflict over the claimed effects of video game violence seems to be what serves as the crux of the film’s drama

Sorry, I digress, no I haven't seen the movie, and it wouldn't affect my thoughts on whether or not computer game violence has an impact on real life violence (any more than the claims that violent movies 20 -30 years ago "caused" specific real life acts of violence) because it's a movie - you know, fictional??

[nugnug]

the game  is calledmax payne i imagene most people lukes age have played it

[Stephanie]

Damn fine piece of academic research there. I mean, look, it even says:

Sorry, I digress, no I haven't seen the movie, and it wouldn't affect my thoughts on whether or not computer game violence has an impact on real life violence (any more than the claims that violent movies 20 -30 years ago "caused" specific real life acts of violence) because it's a movie - you know, fictional??

Rather than be insolently proud, can't you just answer the question. Have you seen the movie yes or no. It's based on a true story and shows the effects games like this can have on the mind.

In Luke's case he was clearly already showing signs of unhealthy behaviours - threatening a girl at the age of 12 for not having sex for example , smoking and selling cannabis. I take it you are aware of the negative affects cannabis can have on the brain...

[Stephanie]

I'm bothering because people like you, Baz and nugnug (sorry if I've missed anyone) actually seem to want to discuss the case intelligently and respectfully. I'm fairly sure there are others out there who are interested, who read but don't post - I just like to make sure they have as much information as possible so that they can make up their own minds.

Its not about trying to "convince" anyone of anything (and especially not Stephanie, John or Lithium) - I'm just here passing on information, correcting wrong information, pointing out flaws in arguments where I see them - people are, of course, free to make whatever they will of that.

If I don't do this, then it's all the false and misleading inforrmation that gets left out there, and that's what people are left with to draw their conclusions from - that just doesn't sit right with me.

That is the biggest pile of pants I've ever seen you write!

I'm sure intelligent, logical and objective thinking people who read this also agree with me (Though I dare say they won't comment on the thread for the simple reason they aren't interested in the case).

Sandra you could set up a website or blog about Luke's case unless of course you are going to come out with one of your classic excuses - you don't have time, you are not allowed for such and such a reason....,

I am not posting false or misleading information.

Last year you told me things that concerned you about the Mitchell's. I am pointing out to you that I believe it's unfair you sit on this knowledge. I do not believe you are being frank or accurate with the public.

[sandra L]

Rather than be insolently proud, can't you just answer the question. Have you seen the movie yes or no.

Hilarious - see my response at 6.49, when I said, quite clearly, 
 

no I haven't seen the movie

Insolently proud? Really?

It's based on a true story and shows the effects games like this can have on the mind.

As I said, fiction, "based on" being the operative phrase. The blockbuster Braveheart was "based on" a true story, and we all know how that panned out.

[Stephanie]

Damn fine piece of academic research there. I mean, look, it even says:

Sorry, I digress, no I haven't seen the movie, and it wouldn't affect my thoughts on whether or not computer game violence has an impact on real life violence (any more than the claims that violent movies 20 -30 years ago "caused" specific real life acts of violence) because it's a movie - you know, fictional??

My apologies, I didn't see your reply where you have said you haven't seen the movie. Worth a watch imo.

Also worth reading through Hares Psychopathy checklist and educating yourself with regards personality disorders and the likes.

[Stephanie]

Hilarious - see my response at 6.49, when I said, quite clearly, 
 
Insolently proud? Really?

As I said, fiction, "based on" being the operative phrase. The blockbuster Braveheart was "based on" a true story, and we all know how that panned out.

My apologies, I didn't see your reply where you have said you haven't seen the movie. Worth a watch imo.

Also worth reading through Hares Psychopathy checklist and educating yourself with regards personality disorders and the likes.

A chip on ones shoulder; how's that?

Seems we cross posted....

[Stephanie]

I'm bothering because people like you, Baz and nugnug (sorry if I've missed anyone) actually seem to want to discuss the case intelligently and respectfully. I'm fairly sure there are others out there who are interested, who read but don't post - I just like to make sure they have as much information as possible so that they can make up their own minds.

Its not about trying to "convince" anyone of anything (and especially not Stephanie, John or Lithium) - I'm just here passing on information, correcting wrong information, pointing out flaws in arguments where I see them - people are, of course, free to make whatever they will of that.

If I don't do this, then it's all the false and misleading inforrmation that gets left out there, and that's what people are left with to draw their conclusions from - that just doesn't sit right with me.

Baz, Marty and Nugnug actually seem to want to discuss the case intelligently and respectfully? Are you for real? Lol 

As I said Sandra your arrogance at times just jumps from your posts....

[nugnug]

at the end of the day i tend to go with psyshcle evence rather than some ols bollocks and satan and half baked amateur psychology if not discusing the case intelgently then so be it.

[nugnug]

Is Sandra seriously trying to claim "you need satanic people like me" is normal in an essay about the existence of god? (post your source for this essay requirement please as I've just saw you blatantly lie about other Luke quotes being from songs/games)

as you have never once posted a source for any of your cliams thats a bit cheeky but i can do it i think the frontline documentry that anyone who seriosly studeid must of watched points it out.

i havve tasted the devils gren blood is a qaute from the computer game max payne that merly takes a google serach to verify

im sure we can verfify nearly all the other qautes.