The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003

[guest154]

How would Janine know it was her shirt?

She had the shirt described to her?
She described the shirt to the police - and they confirmed?
She saw the shirt?
She's seen the shirt since?
She gave the shirt to Jodi earlier - so why wouldn't it be?


Just some ideas.


Also, nugnug - are you posting from a phone?

[nugnug]

no im not why do you ask.

[guest154]

Because I really am trying to read your posts - but I don't know if it is just me sometimes I feel lost as to what you're saying of the point you're trying to make, I'm trying though.

I thought you were posting on a phone because of the language/grammar/typing you use.

[Neil]

Because I really am trying to read your posts - but I don't know if it is just me sometimes I feel lost as to what you're saying of the point you're trying to make, I'm trying though.

I thought you were posting on a phone because of the language/grammar/typing you use.

Bit rude Mat!

[guest154]

I had a feeling it would come across as rude. 


But I am desperate to be able to understand. I really do struggle with the posts though.

[nugnug]

its fine water of a ducks back to me.

[nugnug]

you do seem very keen to defend the good name of stven kelly dont you lithum and that throwaway comment about his ex girlfriend being a lesbian.

hmm.

[Eric]

No, always keep one back for a rainy day 

[OnceSaid]

Well to name afew off the top of my head, Corinne posted she had "groundbreaking news" about Kelly's past. Nothing ever came of it. Jodi's brothers 'serious mental illness!' is greatly exaggerated also. Apparently he has a 'very violent history', but actually has no criminal record. And again there is the DNA that doesn't actually point anywhere. Oh and Ferris being "ostracized" by the family and chased out of the area. When really his mother just moved in with a new partner in Ayrshire.

Joseph Jones, due to his mental illness was taken to the hospital on more than one occassion, not the police station, that is public knowledge.  The police could have charged him, perhaps they did and the charges were dropped, or perhaps he does have a criminal record and the public are not aware of this, so it is wrong of you to claim that he has no criminal record, but quite frankly I don't see the point of giving him a criminal record which could have resulted in him being sent to prison.  He needed to be hospitalized and given appropriate treatment, as he was a danger to himself and others when he kicked off, not locked up in a prison cell.

Ferris was chased out of the area, he was threatened by Jodi's brother Joseph who said he "was going to batter him", according to his grandmother in court.  Ferris moved in with his girlfriend Staceys family in Ayrshire.  He was very vocal that he could never return to Dalkeith.  He was tracked down by the press, when they knocked on his door he shouted for the reporter to get away from the door or they would "get it".  Charming young man   

[OnceSaid]

Joe Jones is by all accounts a normal guy, a far cry from the derranged psycho and loose cannon he's been painted as on that forum. He is engaged and has a job which he wouldn't be allowed to have if he had a notable criminal record or mental illness. He delivers medication for pharmaceutical companies.

There are guilty people who have murdered and upon release, walk straight into employment, which is all set up for them prior to release, as are there jobs available for people who have committed lesser crimes.   

The country is full of people with disability and mental illness who are in gainful employment.  Its all about matching the right job to the individual and if needed, providing support for them.

If the engagement is true, I am pleased to hear that he has found happiness and an understanding fiancee.

[OnceSaid]

Can you blame them when their only suspect at the time was telling interviewing officers to go home and listen to this song - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OcUgsvpchms

I remember reading about this somewhere on the internet, (can't remember where), Luke supposedly asking the police if they had heard of the song. If he did say it, unless it was known what questions they were asking at that particular time in the interview, we won't know in what context he said it.

[OnceSaid]

I dont have an opinion on this case, im afraid. i havent really read anything about it.

It is a very intersting case Andrea, but there is so much reading to be done, although not as much as the Bamber case, that caseload is huge.  I continue to read up as much as I can but I have yet to find anything that would convince me that Mitchell was guilty.  Part of me wishes that he was guilty and is in the right place as then I wouldn't have to worry that a killer has yet to be apprehended. 

[sandra L]

Sorry about the technical nature of this post - this is the nearest I can get to the confirmation Lithiam has requested - the following results are taen verbatim from the reports.

I can’t give the full reference numbers from these reports, so will identify them my partial references.

Forensic report **12/03 (undated) – “Biology joint report” P 26 of 39:

Boot (2) (left) Labelled “Taken from Luke Mitchell 1st July 2003”
Jeans    (Labelled as above)
Belt   (Labelled as above)
Sock (1)   (Labelled as above)
Sock (2) (Labelled as above

No blood was found on these five items.

Same report, P28 of 39

Trousers (1) labelled “*** Newbattle Abbey Crescent, Dalkeith 4/7/03

White stain 305B, on the upper back left pocket flap was tested for a chemical found in saliva.... none was detected... 305B contained a sperm head and many nucleated cells, some of which had the microscopic appearance of a cell type found within the vagina.

Table of Results, ref **22/03 Appendix II, p4 of 16 – Stain 305B, match with Jodi Jones.

So, yes, a single DNA result, found on a pair of Luke’s trousers, was found to be a match with Jodi. However, this sample was found on a pair of trousers taken from Luke’s room 4 days after the murder – there was nothing to say when those trousers had last been worn, there was no blood or other forensic traces from Jodi on them, they were not considered to be connected with the crime scene in any way, and the cells, some of which “had the microscopic appearance of a cell type found in within the vagina” were never properly identified.

All of the clothing taken from Luke in the early hours of July 1st returned no results for DNA from Jodi.

Reference **22/03:

10 H Semen, labelled “i/s back L sleeve of piece of shirt (2) comprised 2 samples –" Each sample was processed in such a way as to separate any sperm from any cellular material  present."

This is how all of the samples labelled “semen” were treated before being analysed.

10G – Blood, labelled “o/s front piece of shirt (2).

Appendix II, Table of results ref **22/03 - 10G, Blood – match to S.Kelly (+Jodi Jones).

Those are the results, exactly as they appear in the forensic reports – 10G is a full male profile, with 8/20 markers for the minor contributor, named in this result as Jodi.

10G does not contain any description of samples being processed to separate sperm heads from cellular material, as 10G was not labelled (or considered to be) a sample containing semen or sperm heads - it was labelled as, and treated as, a bloodstain.

(I posted this already and then deleted it, because I had typed it out first in word and was copying and pasting it here, but the spacing was all wrong - instead of repositioning the various bits and pieces, I accidentally posted too soon.)

[OnceSaid]

"I will stab with a big **** stick and watch your blood spill on the soil, I will watch as you wither and die." - Luke Mitchell

Is that your motto at the bottom of your posts ?

That was a cherry picked quote from a poem that Mitchell was suppose to have written according to a source within the prison who contacted the Daily Record.  I don't know if he penned it or not but I have heard or read of many innocent miscarriage of justice victims make threats to the people who were responsible for then being fitted up and sent to prison, destroying their and their families lives, therefore I don't see what the big deal is if indeed he did write it, as he has every reason to be angry.

[nugnug]

yes hight of wrote a peom years later hardly beats dna does it i think that shows how desprate the guilty camp is,