Author Topic: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003  (Read 1067162 times)

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Offline OnceSaid

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I disagree it means 'nothing' of course it means something - I'm sure kids scribble notes all the time - but not something like that.

Didn't his alibi fall apart? He claimed to be at home but his own brother says he wasn't. Then he finds the body so easily even though it was hidden.

He was a druggie kid, obessed with death, murder and knives.

The knife pouch was found in the Mitchells home by the police.  It was not just the dates that were inscribed on it.  Inside the top flap of the leather-type pouch was written: "The finest day I ever had was when tomorrow never came."

This quotation from Kurt Cobain, was also found on Lukes's school jotters and the same quotation was also in Jodi's bedroom as Kurt Cobain was a favourite of Jodi's.

The knife pouch and relevant discussion took place on the wrongly accused person forum as I read about it many months ago, it is there for all to see.

It looks to me like that this inscription on the pouch was no different to the tattoo and the lip piercing that he got after the murder as did a few of her friends, all in memory of Jodi. 

Luke claimed to be at home, his brother said he didnt know if he was at home or not.  There is a difference between saying he wasnt at home, and dont know if he was at home.

According to the statements the dog reacted passed the v break in the wall, getting excited, standing on its hind legs air sniffing etc and Luke reacted to what the dog was doing as it was obvious that the dog had detected something.  As Luke was the first to go over the wall I guess that he is the first to see the body but I would argue that he found the body.  He also doesnt mention a body at the time, but he sees something.  Steven Kelly goes over and he too sees something from the same distance as Luke, Kelly thinks its a speckled log.  The gran Alice Walker also goes over, and from the same view point thinks its, wont say what she says as its not very nice.  The gran then goes to the body and cradles her grandaughter, witnessed by Mitchell and Kelly.

"A druggie kid"??? His drug test came back with minimal amounts of cannabis detected in his system, so hardly a druggie kid Mat, when this test was done hours after Jodi had been murdered.

"Obssessed with death, murder and knives"???  I see no evidence of this, is this your personal opinion?




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No, don't get the facts mixed up - don't allow the story that he has changed after the trial to replace the actual timing of events. He claims it was his dog, this his dog alerted him to 'something strange' through that shaped hole in the fence.

Plus - you've got two witnesses that saw him in that exact area at the time of the murder.

I suppose he was just walking past whilst his girlfriend (one he claims to have loved yet he was two timing) was being killed.

Wake up, nug nug.



Mat you are failing to even get the basics correct.  It was a wall not a fence.

There was never ever 2 witnesses that saw him there in that "exact area at the time of the murder".  Are you confusing yourself with the witnesses who saw the motorbike which belonged to Gordon Dickie and John Ferris "at the exact area at the time of the murder" with them nowhere to be seen?  When questioned about there whereabouts they dont know what they were doing or where they were when there were motorbike was parked there at the v in the wall, the same v in the wall that the prosecution claimed that Jodi went over.  On that stretch of path there is only one place they could have been and that is over the wall, there is nowhere else they could have been or they would have been seen, just like their bike was.

You are telling nugnug to wake up.  How very rude of you.  After all this time on the forum you seem to have come alive on this very thread, however your information is incorrect and misleading. Can you please furnish yourself with at least the basics of the facts before being rude to other posters who have obviously researched the case. 

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she picked his mugshot out at the time of the murder and she was basing that off a fresh memory,  ofcourse he looked different a year later at the trial with much longer hair.

Its a strange idea of justice you have FWG as by your reasoning then any body guilty of a crime only need to grow their hair long,stick on a new suit and therefore can't be identified? It does however highlight the fact that F&W are full of the proverbial here as after the same amount of time and having only glansed at him from a passing car they were able to identify him!! thats ok but it doesn't fit with your reasoning re AB.

I don't try and be deceptive mat but maybe its your own insecurities about the case that you feel others have some other motive for being resolutly behind Luke.
15 members of the jury heard what each other heard at the trial, some of those found him guilty and some didn't. There will always be differing opinions with  a case like this when the jury themselves couldn't even make up their minds. It is however more about the information we have now that has come to light since the trial that makes me sure Luke is innocent and it is from this information that I try to base my defense of him on.

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when i think about it there is only reason for the police not to have done a line up they knew that none of there so called witnes we be able to pick him out of a line up.

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I'm sure many don't agree with me, especially those that have read the official website but as a rule I don't take campaign websites as anything other than opinion and would much rather read witness statements or court transcripts for information.  :)

I didn't mean to be rude to Nugnug - but when asked what his opinions are based on 'interview transcripts - court transcripts or the website' he said 'all of them' but couldn't/wouldn't say when or where he had seen them so I wonder if he has or if he has been dragged into some of the propaganda.

I was at times struggling to respond to NugNug because I wasn't able to understand some of the posts directed at me because of the spelling/grammar.  :-\

Oncesaid - I agree. My wording has been quite dire in places and does appear that I don't know the basics of the case. I wouldn't comment though if I didn't feel confident enough to make a statement which is why I haven't commented on the DNA evidence because I haven't read enough about it.


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Luke claimed to be at home, his brother said he didnt know if he was at home or not.  There is a difference between saying he wasnt at home, and dont know if he was at home.


I'm not sure I agree with the wording of that. I'm not comfortable as to that matching up with the ORIGINAL wording where the brother said he wasn't at home because he wouldn't be watching porn unless he thought the house was empty.

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I'm sure many don't agree with me, especially those that have read the official website but as a rule I don't take campaign websites as anything other than opinion and would much rather read witness statements or court transcripts for information.  :)

If this is the case mat then you should read the official site as the majority of it is from the transcripts and even police records as Dr Lean has much of it. Thats the reason for nugnug's reply re all of them.

To comment from the stand point that your sure someones guilty without the basic knowledge of the case is irresponsible at best.

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Shane has always stated that he hadn't seen Luke in the house, whatever he was doing at the time may well have stopped him finding out but even if he felt he was alone it doesn't mean he was. He certainly never said he "was alone".

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I'd prefer to read the full transcripts though rather than pieces that Dr Lean has put on the site though - I think thats responsible.

I can't say i have much faith in Sandra Lean.  :-\

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Im sorry you feel that way mat, anything on the site does come from official documents though and therefore has to be considered primary to anyone on either side of the debate. If your wanting to read the full transcript then you will have to apply for it at your own cost as its illegal to produce vast parts of it online, due to copyright I think.

The main site has everything you need about the DNA and it can be quite enlightening. If you feel that Dr Lean has somehow doctered these for her clients benefit then I don't see where else you could get hold of them as they didn't constitute any part of the trial. If they have been altered in anyway of course its a pretty dodgy road for the innocence debate.

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Im sorry you feel that way mat, anything on the site does come from official documents though and therefore has to be considered primary to anyone on either side of the debate. If your wanting to read the full transcript then you will have to apply for it at your own cost as its illegal to produce vast parts of it online, due to copyright I think.

The main site has everything you need about the DNA and it can be quite enlightening. If you feel that Dr Lean has somehow doctered these for her clients benefit then I don't see where else you could get hold of them as they didn't constitute any part of the trial. If they have been altered in anyway of course its a pretty dodgy road for the innocence debate.

But if it all comes from official documents - then Sandra Lean would be agreeing with the case presented by the prosecution. But she isn't - she's against the official documents - she believes them to be wrong and puts forward her version of events.

For example - the talk about the cutting of the throat. Sandra Lean - or the official website- disagrees with it greatly. I believe she's wrong.

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the fact the police did not want to do a line up i think proves thse so caled witnesses were not reliable and i dident get that from the website thats just simple logic.

i had graves doubts about before i had even heard of sandra lean.
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But if it all comes from official documents - then Sandra Lean would be agreeing with the case presented by the prosecution. But she isn't - she's against the official documents - she believes them to be wrong and puts forward her version of events.

Very presumptious mat and as much of the information Dr Lean has at hand wasn't even included in the trial then why should she naturally be on the side of the presecution? thats what law is all about the interpretation of evidence and her putting forward her take on things is her right.
I understand also that you have the right to interpret these differently and thats what were discussing.

Not sure on the cutting of the throat mat or what your alluding to here?

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at the end of the day i dont see any of the people mentioned threatening to sue her witch is strange.

the fact they dident perue charges against his mother is proof enough to me they dident lie.
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Firstly, an apology - I have very little time at the moment to read forums or post, so i won't be able to join in the debate for a number of weeks.

However, there are a couple of things I can clarify from what I have read today. Firstly, the photograph of Luke which has been posted here was taken on August 14th 2003 (six weeks after the murder) in Dalkeith Police Station at 8am. It was placed in a spread of 11 other pictures that morning, and all 12 were taken to AB that day for her to "identify" Luke. Those events have been severely criticised by Roy Ramm and John Scott, John Scott commenting that they didn't have an arrow pointing to Luke Mitchell, but they might as well have done, because Luke's picture stood out so much. Having seen the other 11 pictures, I agree completely - the others were of much younger children, the hair- styles, although all similar to each other (close cropped), were very different to Luke's. All of the other backgrounds were "rooms" of some description, Luke's was a polaroid style with a white band across the top, and very little background detail.

This photograph was not, as has been claimed, taken when Luke was arrested in April 2004 - the "identification" by AB from that photograph was made on August 14th, six weeks after the murder, and the day before pictures of Luke began to appear in newspapers.. However, the picture of Luke did not match the descriptions AB gave to the police in her first two statements in July 2003, right after the murder. she was describing someone completely different - late teens, early twenties, brown, thick, messy hair, some of it sticking up at the back, wearing "fishing gear" with the same colour jacket and trousers. She said in both of those early statements that she would only recognise him again by his clothing and hair as she had not seen his face.

Fleming and Walsh's statements are so far removed from "descriptions" of Luke, it is surprising that they were ever actually used as witnesses. Both said, in their initial statements, that the youth had dark hair, both said they didn't see his face, one had him wearing jeans - definitely, categorically not baggies, because she would have noticed that, their descriptions of his jacket differed from each other, and neither could say what he was wearing under the jacket, although they weren't sure if the jacket was zipped up or open. By the time it got to court, one stated she would never forget his eyes (which, according to her statements, she had never seen), they described a black t shirt with writing on it (which neither had mentioned in their statements), and, at one point, one of them was pulled up in court for using the exact phrase the other had given in evidence the day before - a phrase which had never appeared in any of their statements (the obvious point being that they were discussing their evidence).

These witnesses were shown newspaper photographs of Luke by police investigators, apparently becuase they had claimed to recognise Luke from newspaper photographs prior to August 15th (before which there had been no newspaper pictures of Luke).

Other witnesses have since come forward to say that one of them told work colleagues that the youth she had seen was at the entrance to Newbattle Abbey College (which was the opposite side of the road to where Luke had been standing waiting for Jodi before crossing over to the Abbey) - she never mentioned to any of them, at any time, the youth being at the broken gate near to the end of Roan's Dyke path. They were unable, in their statements, to decide what time they had been on the Newbattle Road, and claimed to have seen a jogger at the same time as they saw the youth - the jogger was, they said, 200 yards ahead. Had the youth been at the broken gate, that was impossible, as the road goes into a series of sweeping bends - it would be impossible to see anyone 200 years up ahead, because of those bends.

The inscription on the knife pouch is not on the website because I had a limited amount of time to get the info for the website together, no other reason. I haven't had a chance to properly update the website, due to other commitments, but I will do so when I get the chance.

It is an offence in Scotland to make public many documents relating to a criminal case, so I am restricted in law as to what I can post from transcripts, statements, etc. I have tried to post as much as I thought I could, without crossing over any legal lines - it's sometimes a difficult judgement call.

Someone commented that they wre "not impressed" with me - that's ok, I'm not doing this to impress anyone, I do what I do because innocent people are being jailed for crimes they did not commit, and that could happen to any one of us, including me and my family. Doing something just because it's the right thing to do doesn't seem to be particularly popular - people are always looking for ulterior motives - for the record, I have none - being involved in MoJs has cost me greatly over the years, in many different ways, but I do not regret getting involved. I understand that people will believe whatever they want to believe - the way I see it, I can put the information out there, and people can do as they please with it. If it's not out there, then people don't know about it, so they can't discuss it, and - far more importantly - they are not forewarned that this could happen to them.