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I thought as much.

I guess honesty also has a power that some can't wield either.

You are entitled to your opinion. You are also entitled to believe what and who you want to believe.

I have made it clear I believe Luke Mitchell to be guilty and have done for sometime. I have many reasons for my change of stance. I questioned things when I received a letter from Luke Mitchell several years ago but kept this to myself at the time.
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Why would she still be spending her time arguing for his innocence if she felt she had information that proved his guilt?! That makes no sense!!

Maybe she is in denial for whatever reason?

Maybe she genuinely believes he is innocent?

Who knows; only Sandra can answer this.
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Shane had a very regular girlfriend. He didn't introduce porn, the police did, 10 months later, from internet records. "Watching porn" is also very misleading - records show he connected with a number of car sites, with what appear to be "pop ups" of a few seconds each appearing intermittently over the 15 minutes or so the internet was connected. These are the "porn sites" which allowed the prosecution to introduce the whole "watching porn" story in order to undermine Luke's alibi.

I feel like whether Shane is looking at cars of porn or some mix of the two is sort of irrelevant.

This is where we agree.

But can you see what Sandra has done? It's as though she's suggesting - if 'porn' were taken out of the equation, then Luke had an alibi and/or the police are not being truthful about Shane watching porn and/or the jury were misled in some way by the brother having watched porn?

It makes no difference what he was watching (though I believe Shane suggested he was watching porn and had checked to make sure no one was in the house etc) whether it was the latter or cars or whatever. The fact is the police found Shane had been on the internet at the suggested timings - therefore Luke wasn't in the house when he said he was.
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I feel like whether Shane is looking at cars of porn or some mix of the two is sort of irrelevant.

It's the embarrassment factor. They put him a situation which is degrading at best. Manipulate him into the position they wanted. If they weren't trying to do that then you are right it wouldn't matter what he was watching. But the porn scenario is deliberately trying to belittle him into breaking down Luke's alibi.

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This is where we agree.

But can you see what Sandra has done? It's as though she's suggesting - if 'porn' were taken out of the equation, then Luke had an alibi and/or the police are not being truthful about Shane watching porn and/or the jury were misled in some way by the brother having watched porn?

It makes no difference what he was watching (though I believe Shane suggested he was watching porn and had checked to make sure no one was in the house etc) whether it was the latter or cars or whatever. The fact is the police found Shane had been on the internet at the suggested timings - therefore Luke wasn't in the house when he said he was.

I haven't read anywhere he checked to see if anyone was in the house. Can you tell us the source for that

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It's the embarrassment factor. They put him a situation which is degrading at best. Manipulate him into the position they wanted. If they weren't trying to do that then you are right it wouldn't matter what he was watching. But the porn scenario is deliberately trying to belittle him into breaking down Luke's alibi.

You are speculating and possibly projecting your own feelings...

How do you know how Shane felt? I imagine he already knew it would be mentioned in court. The jury were no doubt made aware by the defence 'that many young men his age watched porn' - or words to that effect. It was about Luke's ALIBI not Shane and what he was doing or watching. He was in court to tell the truth.
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I haven't read anywhere he checked to see if anyone was in the house. Can you tell us the source for that



THE brother of the teenager accused of killing Jodi Jones thought he was alone in his house on the afternoon of her death, a court heard yesterday.

Shane Mitchell, 23, told the High Court he arrived at the family home just before 5pm, about 50 minutes after his brother, Luke, answered a call from his mobile phone to the house landline. Mr Mitchell said he then watched internet pornography in his bedroom and masturbated.

Luke Mitchell's alibi claims he was at home between 5pm and 5.45pm that day.

His brother, a mechanic, told the court he did not remember seeing or hearing anyone until his mother arrived home from work a short time after 5.16pm.

Alan Turnbull, QC, advocate depute, asked Shane Mitchell what he was doing during the internet session. He said he could not remember.

The lawyer then confronted him with photographs of Jodi's mutilated body. Shane Mitchell was visibly shocked and asked for a break. He sat down and drank from a glass of water.

"You look a bit horrified, " said Mr Turnbull. "They are not pleasant, I know, but the reason I have asked you to look at these is so you can appreciate what you are dealing with.

"I can't let embarrassment stand in the way of getting to the bottom of this."

Mr Mitchell, referring to the internet pictures, agreed that he would not normally look at such graphic images, had anyone else been home. He added that he thought he masturbated at the time.

Mr Turnbull said: "Would you have been content to have watched this

sort of pornography in that room without a lock on the door, and to have masturbated if someone else was in the house?"

"No, " he said.

"Accordingly, who did you think was in the house?"

Mr Mitchell replied: "No one at that time." He added that he did not hear music being played in Luke's bedroom or the dining room.

"If you had done, you would have recalled you weren't alone, " said Mr Turnbull.

"We come then to where we were a wee while ago, which is this: When you went on the computer to access pornography sites, you thought that the house was empty?"

"Yes, " came the answer.

Mr Turnbull asked: "I want you to reflect on the question whether Luke was there when you went downstairs. Do you think he was there?"

"I don't know, " he said.

The court heard that Luke Mitchell gave a statement to police on July 4, 2003, claiming he had had dinner with his mother, but not his brother, before leaving to meet Jodi that evening. He has previously told police he was at home until 5.30pm or 5.40pm.
     
Luke Mitchell, 16, denies murdering Jodi with a knife or similar instrument on June 30, 2003, and has lodged two special defences of alibi and incrimination. He claims that at the time he was in or around his house at Newbattle Abbey Crescent, Dalkeith, and Jodi was murdered by person or persons unknown.

The trial continues.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12408308.Jodi_trial___brother__apos_alone_in_house_apos__Court_hears_porn_admission/
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THE brother of the teenager accused of killing Jodi Jones thought he was alone in his house on the afternoon of her death, a court heard yesterday.

Shane Mitchell, 23, told the High Court he arrived at the family home just before 5pm, about 50 minutes after his brother, Luke, answered a call from his mobile phone to the house landline. Mr Mitchell said he then watched internet pornography in his bedroom and masturbated.

Luke Mitchell's alibi claims he was at home between 5pm and 5.45pm that day.

His brother, a mechanic, told the court he did not remember seeing or hearing anyone until his mother arrived home from work a short time after 5.16pm.

Alan Turnbull, QC, advocate depute, asked Shane Mitchell what he was doing during the internet session. He said he could not remember.

The lawyer then confronted him with photographs of Jodi's mutilated body. Shane Mitchell was visibly shocked and asked for a break. He sat down and drank from a glass of water.

"You look a bit horrified, " said Mr Turnbull. "They are not pleasant, I know, but the reason I have asked you to look at these is so you can appreciate what you are dealing with.

"I can't let embarrassment stand in the way of getting to the bottom of this."

Mr Mitchell, referring to the internet pictures, agreed that he would not normally look at such graphic images, had anyone else been home. He added that he thought he masturbated at the time.

Mr Turnbull said: "Would you have been content to have watched this

sort of pornography in that room without a lock on the door, and to have masturbated if someone else was in the house?"

"No, " he said.

"Accordingly, who did you think was in the house?"

Mr Mitchell replied: "No one at that time." He added that he did not hear music being played in Luke's bedroom or the dining room.

"If you had done, you would have recalled you weren't alone, " said Mr Turnbull.

"We come then to where we were a wee while ago, which is this: When you went on the computer to access pornography sites, you thought that the house was empty?"

"Yes, " came the answer.

Mr Turnbull asked: "I want you to reflect on the question whether Luke was there when you went downstairs. Do you think he was there?"

"I don't know, " he said.

The court heard that Luke Mitchell gave a statement to police on July 4, 2003, claiming he had had dinner with his mother, but not his brother, before leaving to meet Jodi that evening. He has previously told police he was at home until 5.30pm or 5.40pm.
     
Luke Mitchell, 16, denies murdering Jodi with a knife or similar instrument on June 30, 2003, and has lodged two special defences of alibi and incrimination. He claims that at the time he was in or around his house at Newbattle Abbey Crescent, Dalkeith, and Jodi was murdered by person or persons unknown.

The trial continues.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12408308.Jodi_trial___brother__apos_alone_in_house_apos__Court_hears_porn_admission/

Yet Sandra Says the following?

"Shane had a very regular girlfriend. He didn't introduce porn, the police did, 10 months later, from internet records. "Watching porn" is also very misleading - records show he connected with a number of car sites, with what appear to be "pop ups" of a few seconds each appearing intermittently over the 15 minutes or so the internet was connected. These are the "porn sites" which allowed the prosecution to introduce the whole "watching porn" story in order to undermine Luke's alibi."
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THE brother of the teenager accused of killing Jodi Jones thought he was alone in his house on the afternoon of her death, a court heard yesterday.

Shane Mitchell, 23, told the High Court he arrived at the family home just before 5pm, about 50 minutes after his brother, Luke, answered a call from his mobile phone to the house landline. Mr Mitchell said he then watched internet pornography in his bedroom and masturbated.

Luke Mitchell's alibi claims he was at home between 5pm and 5.45pm that day.

His brother, a mechanic, told the court he did not remember seeing or hearing anyone until his mother arrived home from work a short time after 5.16pm.

Alan Turnbull, QC, advocate depute, asked Shane Mitchell what he was doing during the internet session. He said he could not remember.

The lawyer then confronted him with photographs of Jodi's mutilated body. Shane Mitchell was visibly shocked and asked for a break. He sat down and drank from a glass of water.

"You look a bit horrified, " said Mr Turnbull. "They are not pleasant, I know, but the reason I have asked you to look at these is so you can appreciate what you are dealing with.

"I can't let embarrassment stand in the way of getting to the bottom of this."

Mr Mitchell, referring to the internet pictures, agreed that he would not normally look at such graphic images, had anyone else been home. He added that he thought he masturbated at the time.

Mr Turnbull said: "Would you have been content to have watched this

sort of pornography in that room without a lock on the door, and to have masturbated if someone else was in the house?"

"No, " he said.

"Accordingly, who did you think was in the house?"

Mr Mitchell replied: "No one at that time." He added that he did not hear music being played in Luke's bedroom or the dining room.

"If you had done, you would have recalled you weren't alone, " said Mr Turnbull.

"We come then to where we were a wee while ago, which is this: When you went on the computer to access pornography sites, you thought that the house was empty?"

"Yes, " came the answer.

Mr Turnbull asked: "I want you to reflect on the question whether Luke was there when you went downstairs. Do you think he was there?"

"I don't know, " he said.

The court heard that Luke Mitchell gave a statement to police on July 4, 2003, claiming he had had dinner with his mother, but not his brother, before leaving to meet Jodi that evening. He has previously told police he was at home until 5.30pm or 5.40pm.
     
Luke Mitchell, 16, denies murdering Jodi with a knife or similar instrument on June 30, 2003, and has lodged two special defences of alibi and incrimination. He claims that at the time he was in or around his house at Newbattle Abbey Crescent, Dalkeith, and Jodi was murdered by person or persons unknown.

The trial continues.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/12408308.Jodi_trial___brother__apos_alone_in_house_apos__Court_hears_porn_admission/

Where does it say he checked to see if anyone was in?
Also when asked if his brother was in,he said," I don't know". He never said he wasn't in.
He may have presumed his brother wasn't in because he never heard music coming from his room. He never said he wasn't in.

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Surely if he was checking the house, he would have checked Luke's bedroom also

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You are speculating and possibly projecting your own feelings...

How do you know how Shane felt? I imagine he already knew it would be mentioned in court. The jury were no doubt made aware by the defence 'that many young men his age watched porn' - or words to that effect. It was about Luke's ALIBI not Shane and what he was doing or watching. He was in court to tell the truth.

Oh, I think I have a fair idea how he felt along with every other male in the country. As the qc touched upon in your newspaper article.

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Shane Mitchell failed to corroborate his brothers alibi.

The jury clearly doubted him.
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As the qc touched upon in your newspaper article.

MY newspaper article?  ::)

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Surely if he was checking the house, he would have checked Luke's bedroom also

SMALL but vital clues convinced police that Luke Mitchell was Jodi Jones’ killer, the murder inquiry’s leading investigator said today.

But detective chief superintendent Craig Dobbie said the teenager was nothing more than a witness at the beginning of the investigation.

It wasn’t until inconsistencies emerged in his statements that he became a suspect.

He said they tried to eliminate him from their enquiries but "they just couldn’t".

Mr Dobbie, 53, said more than 3000 statements were taken throughout the course of the inquiry.

"We interviewed everyone possible," he said. "We interviewed every male who had been viewed with general suspicion.

"That group included any males known to Jodi - both relatives and friends.

"Luke was one, and, at first, he was no different from the rest of them. We were just trying to eliminate people from that group.

"It wasn’t until July 3 that our suspicions about Luke increased. We had a degree of suspicion, but not enough to detain him.

"Things were starting to piece together - things his school friends were saying about him carrying knives; the sighting by the witness Andrina Bryson - who claimed she had seen Luke with a girl standing at the top of the Roan’s Dyke path on the day she was killed; and, most importantly, the difference in the statements given by Jodi’s family about how Jodi’s body had been found and Luke’s version of events.

"However, we still had to be aware that Luke was providing a statement voluntarily and that he may have been deeply traumatised at the time."

The next day, Mr Dobbie asked for Mitchell to be interviewed again - this time under police caution.

"We made it clear he was under caution - it was only fair to him to do so. This was when he further entrenched his position.

"This was a few days on after the killing so what he was saying at this stage was probably more accurate.

"There were critical differences in what he was saying about when the body was found. The family were consistent in their evidence.

"They all said Luke never walked past the V in the wall before climbing over and discovering the body. But Luke’s version was completely different.

"He said he walked past the wall a considerable distance and the dog reacted at the point relating to where Jodi’s body was.

"We couldn’t get away from this conflict in versions. We tried to eliminate Luke from our inquiries but we just couldn’t."

The next piece of information which gave detectives cause for suspicion concerned the wood burning stove in the Mitchell’s back garden.

Mitchell told police that his mother Corinne and brother Shane were using the stove that night. Corinne said it was not being used and Shane was not able to say either way. "We also had reports from neighbours saying they had smelled burning coming from the Mitchell’s back garden that night," said Mr Dobbie.

"Then there was the parka jacket," he added. "We spoke to friends, school teachers and others who knew Mitchell and established he had a parka jacket. The eye witnesses had also made references to a long parka style jacket. His mother said he had never owned one.

"When we searched the house, the parka was missing.

"But friends and family were adamant that he owned one. We also had the information about the wood burner and we started to paint a picture."

However, Mr Dobbie did not want to detain Mitchell until the DNA test results had come back from the lab.

"When the results came back there was not one DNA profile which could not be accounted for. Every profile belonged to people who knew Jodi, including Luke. However, what we didn’t have was DNA from someone unknown, which ruled out anyone unknown as the killer."

Mr Dobbie said: "In August we detained Luke for further questioning. We searched his house again and his father’s house but still there was no evidence of the jacket that we believed to have existed before the murder, or of any knife.

"At this stage, unless Luke gave us a confession or took us to the knife, we did not want to arrest him. We did not want to go down that road unless we were 100 per cent confident the circumstantial evidence we had was correct.

"It wasn’t until October that we believed that we had grounds to report Luke to the procurator fiscal for a circumstantial case.

"After carrying out their own investigations, and interviewing witnesses they supported us and, eventually, a warrant was issued for Luke’s arrest in April, 2004."

It was on this day that Mitchell’s house was searched again and Shane Mitchell admitted he had been looking at porn on the internet on the day of Jodi’s death.

He said he would not have done this if there was other people in the house - which did not support Luke’s alibi that he was at home with Shane at the time Jodi was killed.

Mr Dobbie said: "When we searched the house we also found a knife pouch with the inscription ‘JJ 1989-2003’ and the numbers 666 written on it and one of Jodi’s favourite quotes. It was like some kind of memorial to Jodi.

"We made inquiries and discovered that Mrs Mitchell had bought a knife which came with a pouch identical to this one in December 2003. She said she had bought it for him to go on a camping trip. But why purchase that knife. It seemed bizarre, bearing in mind Jodi had been killed and that her son was a suspect.

"We started to question whether that knife was a replacement to one he had previously."

But today as Mitchell was found guilty, Lothian and Borders Police’s hunch was proved right, although there was severe criticism of their handling of the investigation during the case.


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Jodi trial: brother 'alone in house' Court hears porn admission

Thursday 13 January 2005 / News
     

THE brother of the teenager accused of killing Jodi Jones thought he was alone in his house on the afternoon of her death, a court heard yesterday.

Shane Mitchell, 23, told the High Court he arrived at the family home just before 5pm, about 50 minutes after his brother, Luke, answered a call from his mobile phone to the house landline. Mr Mitchell said he then watched internet pornography in his bedroom and masturbated.

Luke Mitchell's alibi claims he was at home between 5pm and 5.45pm that day.

His brother, a mechanic, told the court he did not remember seeing or hearing anyone until his mother arrived home from work a short time after 5.16pm.

Alan Turnbull, QC, advocate depute, asked Shane Mitchell what he was doing during the internet session. He said he could not remember.

The lawyer then confronted him with photographs of Jodi's mutilated body. Shane Mitchell was visibly shocked and asked for a break. He sat down and drank from a glass of water.

"You look a bit horrified, " said Mr Turnbull. "They are not pleasant, I know, but the reason I have asked you to look at these is so you can appreciate what you are dealing with.


"I can't let embarrassment stand in the way of getting to the bottom of this."

Mr Mitchell, referring to the internet pictures, agreed that he would not normally look at such graphic images, had anyone else been home. He added that he thought he masturbated at the time.

Mr Turnbull said: "Would you have been content to have watched this

sort of pornography in that room without a lock on the door, and to have masturbated if someone else was in the house?"

"No, " he said.

"Accordingly, who did you think was in the house?"

Mr Mitchell replied: "No one at that time." He added that he did not hear music being played in Luke's bedroom or the dining room.

"If you had done, you would have recalled you weren't alone, " said Mr Turnbull.

"We come then to where we were a wee while ago, which is this: When you went on the computer to access pornography sites, you thought that the house was empty?"

"Yes, " came the answer.

Mr Turnbull asked: "I want you to reflect on the question whether Luke was there when you went downstairs. Do you think he was there?"

"I don't know,
" he said.

The court heard that Luke Mitchell gave a statement to police on July 4, 2003, claiming he had had dinner with his mother, but not his brother, before leaving to meet Jodi that evening. He has previously told police he was at home until 5.30pm or 5.40pm.

     
Luke Mitchell, 16, denies murdering Jodi with a knife or similar instrument on June 30, 2003, and has lodged two special defences of alibi and incrimination. He claims that at the time he was in or around his house at Newbattle Abbey Crescent, Dalkeith, and Jodi was murdered by person or persons unknown.

The trial continues.
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