Author Topic: The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003  (Read 1055524 times)

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Offline sandra L

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Sorry, nugnug, cross posted.

It's true, the pathologist was unable to ascertain (or even hazard a guess) at time of death, but interestingly, the doctor who was brought to the scene at 2am to pronounce death also made no effort to preserve evidence which may have been helpful (e.g. body temperature).

Stomach contents recovered at post mortem were never identified, other than the vague description of "brown liquid."

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there are some photos of the path floating about ill just go and have a look for them.

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So in theory - there was a perpetrator - probably with blood on them and in a  heightened distressed state who left the scene - but no-one saw him or them. Thank you for the information about the light - I was wondering about that .

So either they were able to make a quick get away - or left through the woods? Or there was more than one person and they covered for each  other?

Does not sound like an  in anger attack by a 14 year old does it. 

This sounds either like someone who has done it before and become more and more brazen - or possibly a group attack that got out of hand . IMO


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Sandra L

Have just been reading through past articles and I am full of admiration for your tenacity in this case. It must be really hard when probably a whole community is against you to carry on the fight for so long. Also just read about the fact that the defence had some reports that were not presented in court because of funding the expert witnesses. So wrong on many levels.

Also saw some video of the wall etc - which gives a clearer picture of the scene.

Was there evidence on her that she had maybe been physically dragged through the gap in the wall?


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Thank you jansus - my tenacity was not entirely down to altruism, however - my girls were around the same age as Jodi when she was murdered, and my concern then, as now, was with the possibility that a vicious murderer was allowed to go free amongst us. That an innocent boy should be pursued in place of the real attacker made it all the more disgusting to me.

Thanks nugnug for posting the link.

Regards the evidence of Jodi going over the wall, there was never any evidence recovered to suggest she had gone over the wall, either willingly, or having been dragged there. However, the fact that Jodi's clothing was left out all night in the rain may have had some bearing on that, and also the fact that Luke, Steven Kelly, Alice Walker and at least six police officers went through the V break, potentially contaminating evidence of Jodi having been there too.


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Sorry, Lithium, nice try, but the contents of the submission to the SCCRC have never been publicly released, so you can't legitimately make this claim.

Are you denying you mentioned Jodi's brother as another potential suspect in your SCCRC submission?
« Last Edit: February 09, 2014, 11:20:PM by Dr. Lithium »

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you may want to spread wild rumours about whos a suspect and who isn't but im sure sandra doesn't.

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you may want to spread wild rumours about whos a suspect and who isn't but im sure sandra doesn't.

she named enough in the scrcc submission.

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the sccrc submission has never bee made public no will it be and  you seem to forget that your on a moj forum where posters know these sort of things.

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I've seen it.

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and how you have seen a confidential legal document exactly.

you couldent have done so legally.

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Oh, ok then.

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Jansus said
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Also just read about the fact that the defence had some reports that were not presented in court because of funding the expert witnesses. So wrong on many levels.

For a number of years, we could not understand why the defence had not mounted a robust attack on the basis of forensic evidence (or lack therof.)  We were offered some vague mumblings about "not being too hard" on various witnesses, so as not to "put the jury offside", which seemed to us, at the time, absolutely ridiculous. I couldn't think of a case in which a jury was more likely to have been "put offside," given the nature and duration of media coverage, the locality of the trial etc.

Anyway, it came to our attention that there had been an opportunity to have the forensics tested for the defence, but Legal Aid had been refused and (bizarrely) the legal team were allegedly saying Luke's mother had refused to pay for the tests.

You can imagine our confusion. If a case is being funded by legal aid, then the accused or his family cannot pay for anything independently, otherwise, they are deemed to be able to afford their own defence and should not be entitled to legal aid payments. Further, I knew for absolute certain that no-one in Luke's family had ever been asked to pay for tests - they would have done so without a moment's hesitation, had they been asked. It took another 4 plus years for us to get to the truth - that the legal team claimed SLAB had refused funding, whereas SLAB insisted that the legal team had failed to complete the application. From the case papers, the latter appears to be the case, in that communication from the legal team to the SLAB appears to suddenly and abruptly come to an end, but given that the file at the SLAB offices has since been "lost" we may never know.

It is an absolute disgrace, in a country where so many people are entirely dependent on state funded and provided legal representation, that this sort of thing can happen. From what we have been able to glean from the case papers, it appears Luke's own defence team were dishonest and misleading not only to him and his family, but to others, in what can only be seen as an attempt to discredit Luke and his family in order to cover up for failings within the defence team.

For Lithium's benefit, I will point out here that I have made no direct accusation - I am doing what judges encourage every juror at the end of every trial to do - to come to common sense conclusions (or, in this case, possibilities), based on the evidence before them, without resorting to outright speculation.