The murder of 14 year-old schoolgirl Jodi Jones near Edinburgh on 30 June 2003

[nugnug]

well youonly have to look at him to see he was not a goth.

[sandra L]

Mat said

Whilst you're talking about credibility......
Just an idea. But if you need more time - maybe drop some cases? Working on too many cases can lead to mistakes or lead to you promoting the wrong cases. Such as that as Adrian Prout which I believe to be a huge stain on your own credibility.

With respect, Mat, do you know how many cases I am actively involved in? Do you think I am unaware of the difficulties which would arise in trying to work on too many cases? Do you know how many cases I have declined to get involved in for a number of reasons? Do you know what else I do with my time, apart from trying to help people who have been wrongly accused?

I don't mind what you think about my involvement in the Adrian Prout case, or, indeed, what you think of my "credibility." Adrian failed the polygraph, and then admitted he had killed his wife. Had he not done so, there would have been nothing in the evidence to prove he was a murderer. There is always that risk, when trying to help people claiming wrongful conviction - that is why I put so much effort into checking as much as possible about the cases I do get involved with. On WAP, we currently host websites for just 9 people, over a period of three years (many of them I have known for several years).

Fighting wrongful convictions is a very long, slow process, as anyone doing so will tell you. I never, ever promise anyone anything - I tell people I will look at their cases, and if I can, I will do what I can to help. End of story.

Thanks to everyone for the kind comments - I believe those of us trying to help the wrongly accused and convicted need to support each other and work together.

[grahameb]

Mat said
With respect, Mat, do you know how many cases I am actively involved in? Do you think I am unaware of the difficulties which would arise in trying to work on too many cases? Do you know how many cases I have declined to get involved in for a number of reasons? Do you know what else I do with my time, apart from trying to help people who have been wrongly accused?

I don't mind what you think about my involvement in the Adrian Prout case, or, indeed, what you think of my "credibility." Adrian failed the polygraph, and then admitted he had killed his wife. Had he not done so, there would have been nothing in the evidence to prove he was a murderer. There is always that risk, when trying to help people claiming wrongful conviction - that is why I put so much effort into checking as much as possible about the cases I do get involved with. On WAP, we currently host websites for just 9 people, over a period of three years (many of them I have known for several years).

Fighting wrongful convictions is a very long, slow process, as anyone doing so will tell you. I never, ever promise anyone anything - I tell people I will look at their cases, and if I can, I will do what I can to help. End of story.

Thanks to everyone for the kind comments - I believe those of us trying to help the wrongly accused and convicted need to support each other and work together.

Dr. Lean you have the support on the forum of all who matter I can assure you. We appreciate the brilliant work that you do for those who are the victims of miscarriages of justice. I think that most people have so much faith in our justice system today that they blindly follow the system without question. Without really realising just how many moj's there actually are in this country and just how many people are convicted on the flimsiest of evidence.
I count it a priviledge that you have chosen to comment on this forum. We can do with a lot more analytical minds on here who "honestly" investicate these cases.

[maggie]

Dr. Lean you have the support on the forum of all you matter I can assure you. We appreciate the brilliant work that you do for those who are the victims of miscarriages of justice. I think that most people have so much faith in our justice system today that they blindly follow the system without question. Without really realising just how many moj's there actually are in this country and just how many people are convicted on the flimsiest of evidence.
I count it a priviledge that you have chosen to comment on this forum. We can do with a lot more analytical on here who "honestly" investicate these cases.

Well said Grahame.

[Janet]

Dr Lean is doing the best she can, the same as everyone else who tries to help MOJ.
She puts her time and her energies into trying to help people who are suffering injustices.

[guest154]

Mat said
With respect, Mat, do you know how many cases I am actively involved in? Do you think I am unaware of the difficulties which would arise in trying to work on too many cases? Do you know how many cases I have declined to get involved in for a number of reasons? Do you know what else I do with my time, apart from trying to help people who have been wrongly accused?

No, I'm not aware how many cases you and your erm... team.. have under your wings at the moment. Maybe you could tell us roughly how many cases you work? You host 9 websites? Is that nine cases? So at any given time you and your team are working on 9 appeals/CCRC submissions/ investigating 9 cases.

Thanks for the comment on the AP case.

Do you know what else I do with my time, apart from trying to help people who have been wrongly accused?

No, I dont?

[nugnug]

Dr Lean is doing the best she can, the same as everyone else who tries to help MOJ.
She puts her time and her energies into trying to help people who are suffering injustices.

yes thats all anybody can do.

[Margot]

yes thats all anybody can do.

yes it is and I admire the hard work Dr Lean and others do to help.

[guest154]

Of course anyone who has their heart in the right place to help out people who have suffered genuine MOJ's should be applauded.

[Neil]

No, I'm not aware how many cases you and your erm... team.. have under your wings at the moment. Maybe you could tell us roughly how many cases you work? You host 9 websites? Is that nine cases? So at any given time you and your team are working on 9 appeals/CCRC submissions/ investigating 9 cases.

Thanks for the comment on the AP case.

No, I dont?

Mat, you seem to be taking quite an aggressive stance, where Sandra Lean is concerned.  Why is this? Have you had dealings with her in the past?  Or are you blindly following Johns lead?  The way he talks about her, you'd think that she had killed Kate Prout.

[nugnug]

ive noticed when ever this case is discused it soon turns from argueing the facts of the case into personal attacks on lukes supporters with suggests to me that the guilty camp have no real argument and they know it.

[grahameb]

Mat, you seem to be taking quite an aggressive stance, where Sandra Lean is concerned.  Why is this? Have you had dealings with her in the past?  Or are you blindly following Johns lead?  The way he talks about her, you'd think that she had killed Kate Prout.

By trying to destroy the credability of the supporters they weaken support for the one they support. It's called muck spreading.

[nugnug]

and if they had a credible argument that luke was guilty they wouldent need to do it.

[guest154]

Mat, you seem to be taking quite an aggressive stance, where Sandra Lean is concerned.  Why is this? Have you had dealings with her in the past?  Or are you blindly following Johns lead?  The way he talks about her, you'd think that she had killed Kate Prout.

Personal between me and Lean. Nothing to do with John.

[guest154]

But for the record, I didn't intend to appear agressive towards her just..amused.