How Did Jeremy Shoot Sheila?

[grahameb]

Seriously, I don´t make much up, but rather stick to what I can see - for instance that Sheila moved her hand up to her wound between shots, which resulted in the bloodstreams down her right lower arm. Jeremy¨s shots could not have happened in quick succession, as those streams needed some time to form. Not much time, but still a minute or so.
What you claim makes no sense when you look at the blood evidence on Sheila.

I agree with you Alias. The blood stains had to have time to form. As you are away dead people do not bleed that much. So the blood down her arm points rather to the fact that she was holding her neck whilst in an upright position, or at least her upper torso.
Under her armpit on her left side is a massive pool of blood. This indicates that she was on her left side for some time. All this blood must have come from the first shot. Therefore it is logical that there was a gap between the first and second shot.

[scipio_usmc]

I am tired of you claiming I have said things, which I have never once in all my time here said. I have never said anything about police hearing or not hearing shots outside.

I find that much of what you say is speculation put forward as "fact", and more than that, you don´t notice much who says what. I find that highly irritating. Done with you. And no, that is not a "victory" for you, just a hint that maybe you should learn to behave.

I addressed the specific claims you made.  I didn't attribute anything to you.  You are the one who claimed SHeila would have to have been attakcing Jeremy so an acocmplice would have to have been necessary.

You are the one who ignore she could have been sleeping among other things.

Your feigned wounded feeling act is not going to work.

I addressed your exact claims and they are just absilute hogwash.

[scipio_usmc]

I agree with you Alias. The blood stains had to have time to form. As you are away dead people do not bleed that much. So the blood down her arm points rather to the fact that she was holding her neck whilst in an upright position, or at least her upper torso.
Under her armpit on her left side is a massive pool of blood. This indicates that she was on her left side for some time. All this blood must have come from the first shot. Therefore it is logical that there was a gap between the first and second shot.

She is wrong that Sheila moved her hand to the wound. She is also wrong it would take 1 minute at least for the blod to get on her arm.  There were 5 drips of blood down her lower arm which coudl easit have been deposited in a few seconds.

She hemmoraged tha tis why there was so much blood on her shoulder which after being on her side went down to her underarm and onto the floor.  Not only would there have bene much more blood on her shoulder had she bled a long time in between shots but that blood would have leaked down her dress instead of to the side of her dress to her armpit.

 

[grahameb]

I addressed the specific claims you made.  I didn't attribute anything to you.  You are the one who claimed SHeila would have to have been attakcing Jeremy so an acocmplice would have to have been necessary.

You are the one who ignore she could have been sleeping among other things.

Your feigned wounded feeling act is not going to work.

I addressed your exact claims and they are just absilute hogwash.

Watch out mac your head might explode with all your egoism if you don't watch out. What a nasty piece of work you are. Can't you just piss off back to the penetentiary you escaped from? You're becoming rather boring now. We English don't like big heads.

[lookout]

 The bedroom carpet/large rug which covered the carpet where June and Sheilas' bodies lay,,,was saturated with blood,,so no way would Jeremy have lain down on his belly on that,in which to shoot Sheila.
In one of the pics. you'll see that same carpet rolled up ready to burn.This is why there's very little blood on the carpet that you see. The spots could well have been what had dripped off the carpet/large rug during movement.
This also answers the question of the movement of the bodies,,which was done in order to remove the carpet on top.

[scipio_usmc]

The bedroom carpet/large rug which covered the carpet where June and Sheilas' bodies lay,,,was saturated with blood,,so no way would Jeremy have lain down on his belly on that,in which to shoot Sheila.
In one of the pics. you'll see that same carpet rolled up ready to burn.This is why there's very little blood on the carpet that you see. The spots could well have been what had dripped off the carpet/large rug during movement.
This also answers the question of the movement of the bodies,,which was done in order to remove the carpet on top.

Who said he layed down on his belly?

Laying down on his belly he could not have made the shots at all.

He needed to hold the barrel of the gun close to the wounds or it would be obvious she was murdered.

He would have been standing and crouching  alittle to hold the gun near her neck or could have been sitting facing her but sitting or kneeling in front of her would have made him vulnerable and les sin control of the situation so would be much less likely than him standing.

[maggie]

He was trying to make it look like a suicide.  She needed to be seated to be able to shoot herself.  She also would be more controllable seated than standing.  Standing is not easier, she could run away and move more than she could if seated.
Moreover, holding the gun under her as she was standing would give her the opportunity to grab the whole rifle.  He already went through that with Nevill.  Sitting her down and moving her head back was vastly superior and that is how he did the second shot.  After he nertebrae was broken her head could move further back so this actually helped.  Her head could be so far back that her chin could have been facing him as he shot her.

Scipio, you have stated on various occasions that Sheila's neck would be floppy because of broken vertebrae. A floppy neck is not a symptom of fractured vertebrae in the neck', pain in the shoulders and back with swelling at back of neck are common symptoms. It's pretty unlikely her neck would have bent further back exposing her throat, far more likely she would find it impossible to put her neck back the way you explain.

[Alias]

I agree with you Alias. The blood stains had to have time to form. As you are away dead people do not bleed that much. So the blood down her arm points rather to the fact that she was holding her neck whilst in an upright position, or at least her upper torso.
Under her armpit on her left side is a massive pool of blood. This indicates that she was on her left side for some time. All this blood must have come from the first shot. Therefore it is logical that there was a gap between the first and second shot.

Thanks Grahame.

[lookout]

Who said he layed down on his belly?

Laying down on his belly he could not have made the shots at all.

He needed to hold the barrel of the gun close to the wounds or it would be obvious she was murdered.

He would have been standing and crouching  alittle to hold the gun near her neck or could have been sitting facing her but sitting or kneeling in front of her would have made him vulnerable and les sin control of the situation so would be much less likely than him standing.

He would not have been kneeling/sitting in all that blood ! Take a look at Junes' wounds in the archives.
That top carpet was saturated in blood.
The sniffer dog outside would have had a field day with Jeremy,,whether he bathed/showered or not ! In which case,the dog,nor Jeremy,didn't flinch.

[scipio_usmc]

Scipio, you have stated on various occasions that Sheila's neck would be floppy because of broken vertebrae. A floppy neck is not a symptom of fractured vertebrae in the neck', pain in the shoulders and back with swelling at back of neck are common symptoms. It's pretty unlikely her neck would have bent further back exposing her throat, far more likely she would find it impossible to put her neck back the way you explain.

I mean that it will be more flexible. It can move further back than it otherwise would be able to move.  This offers an advantage when you are trying to tilt the head far back so that you can shoot from the chin into the brain.  Saying this would be an advanatage isn't saying it otherwise woudl have been impossible just that it would make life easier.

For that matter just shooting her and injuring her severely would make life easier because he could bend her head and she would be less likely to be able to resist.

Did he botch the first shot because he simply didn't plan the angle well and thus the second time around was much more careful or because she moved her head and was not cooperating during the first shot?

There is no way to know but she would have been stunned and thus not in a posiiton to put up a fight the second shot so that alone would make things easier as far as aiming a shot better.



 


 

[maggie]

I mean that it will be more flexible. It can move further back than it otherwise would be able to move.  This offers an advantage when you are trying to tilt the head far back so that you can shoot from the chin into the brain.  Saying this would be an advanatage isn't saying it otherwise woudl have been impossible just that it would make life easier.
For that matter just shooting her and injuring her severely would make life easier because he could bend her head and she would be less likely to be able to resist.
Did he botch the first shot because he simply didn't plan the angle well and thus the second time around was much more careful or because she moved her head and was not cooperating
during the first shot?
There is no way to know but she would have been stunned and thus not in a posiiton to put up
a fight the second shot so that alone would make things easier as far as aiming a shot better.

It am just pointing out that broken bones in a persons neck would cause swelling and constriction. Sheila would have difficulty putting her head back once her vertebrae were shattered cannot see how Jeremy could have forced her head back to shoot her on the floor, more possible if she was sitting on the edge of the bed however even more likely she shot herself in this position. imo.

[lookout]

 Let him prattle on Maggie..I'm impressed,I've never met such a small mind inside such a big head before.

[lookout]

Continuing with the" anti-Bamber " version on Sheilas' behaviour.
 In 1985,,she was described as critical before being persuaded by her father to go into hospital as another breakdown was imminent,,so in March of that year,,Sheila returned to St Andrews,,having been there 2 years prior.
It was a very traumatic time because Sheila had refused to be treated or examined by the doctors/psychiatrists,,saying that everyone was trying to poison her. However,after two months,,it appeared that she was well enough to leave hospital,,armed with sedatives and sleeping pills because her nights were torturous through lack of sleep.

While in hospital,,Sheila turned to religion and had developed positive religious beliefs,,but Sheilas' friends became worried by this new and enthusiastic development,where she was re-living her adolescent years and the troubles they brought her,,particularly with her mother,,so sadly this was seen as a repeat of the pattern how it used to be.

When Sheila was discharged from hospital,,she went to stay at WHF,,and it wasn't the happiest place for her,,nor the happiest welcome because the two women ended up in a rage about religion,and Sheila accusing her mother of losing her soul.

Once back in her own home,,both women heaved a sigh of relief,,except that once Sheila was home,,she was full of bitterness against both parents,,which never left her,,not even being in her own home was enough to alleviate the strong feelings against her parents,,and showed her anger to her friend by telling her of her parents attitude towards her after having been ill. That her mother didn't want to listen to anything that she said,,which Sheila resented Junes' whole approach about.

Now,,think about how things panned out between these two women on the night of 6/7th August 1985 !

I continue to say, that it's written of Sheila, that given her unpredictability and mood swings,,it was a BAD decision in taking her to WHF, before the boys went on holiday,,as tensions between her and her mother were LIABLE to ERUPT at any moment !!

There's a clue there somewhere !!

[lookout]

 Yes,,Sheila would have been quiet while Jeremy was at the farmhouse-----------up until he left !!
 Then all Hell let loose.

[lookout]

 The poor children were hit first,,as a lot of children do take the brunt of an acrimonious split/divorce.
They weren't going to Norway with Colin and the girlfriend,,nor were they going to remain with Colin for most of the time,only allowing Sheila visits.
Neither was Sheila going anywhere convalescing,at the behest of her parents. When no support or backing was coming forthwith from Neville,,he was the 3rd victim. Which left the two women battling it out in the bedroom.
Just where Jeremy comes into this,,I don't know.?