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Offline Alias

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How Did Jeremy Shoot Sheila?
« on: June 14, 2014, 08:27:PM »
This is a question to the people on the board who think Jeremy is guilty. It has been talked about in another thread, but didn´t really belong in the thread about Pargeter´s rifle.
Please, step by step, describe how he did it. Scipio claims that Sheila sat on the floor with her back leaning against Nevill´s side of the bed, and that Jeremy stood and shot her holding the rifle at his hip.
I have a hard time seeing how it could have happened that way. For one, there was no room for that, look:



I also asked him to describe in detail how he thought the second shot was fired, but he never answered. Perhaps now?

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Re: How Did Jeremy Shoot Sheila?
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2014, 08:52:PM »
 That second shot baffles me,,but the first was accidental,possibly by either June or Neville as they tried to wrestle the gun from Sheila.
Jeremy doesn't fit into the equation,not even with the second shot,because judging by the appearance of it,,it was done while Jeremy was outside. I'm not even sure that Sheila meant to take her life !

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Re: How Did Jeremy Shoot Sheila?
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2014, 08:56:PM »
But if you examine the nightie there's no blood running down the front,so I don't accept that Sheila was shot in the kitchen and moved upstairs. You'd have to construct a scenario where Sheila is wearing other clothes,then changes into the nightdress and it gets all too complicated. In my opinion Sheila is sitting down for both shots.

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Re: How Did Jeremy Shoot Sheila?
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2014, 08:59:PM »
It's hard to say with complete certainty, Alias. But sat down in her parents room, not far from where she was found.

Certianly not in any other room.

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Re: How Did Jeremy Shoot Sheila?
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2014, 08:59:PM »
But if you examine the nightie there's no blood running down the front,so I don't accept that Sheila was shot in the kitchen and moved upstairs. You'd have to construct a scenario where Sheila is wearing other clothes,then changes into the nightdress and it gets all too complicated. In my opinion Sheila is sitting down for both shots.
The blood ran down her arm as she held her hand up to staunch the blood. Also if you look on her nightdress you will see that it is stained on the side down into her armpit. This blood is from her first wound.

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Re: How Did Jeremy Shoot Sheila?
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2014, 09:02:PM »
It's hard to say with complete certainty, Alias. But sat down in her parents room, not far from where she was found.

Certianly not in any other room.

Where do you think she sat, which way was she facing? And what about the second shot, how was she positioned for that? How did Jeremy stand - or whatever you imagine he did - how did he hold the rifle? How did he make Sheila comply? Why wasn´t she crying, there is no sign of tears?

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Re: How Did Jeremy Shoot Sheila?
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2014, 09:03:PM »
The blood ran down her arm as she held her hand up to staunch the blood. Also if you look on her nightdress you will see that it is stained on the side down into her armpit. This blood is from her first wound.
But Grahame we also have the allegations of the struggle with Nevill and lookout's well-written thread implying a possible physical confrontation with June. Is this when Sheila received the wound,necessitating a trip to the First Aid cupboard and a bandage placed on her abdomen? Yet the front of the nightie remains unblemished.

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Re: How Did Jeremy Shoot Sheila?
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2014, 09:06:PM »
Where do you think she sat, which way was she facing? And what about the second shot, how was she positioned for that? How did Jeremy stand - or whatever you imagine he did - how did he hold the rifle? How did he make Sheila comply? Why wasn´t she crying, there is no sign of tears?

I'm not sure how I'm meant to know any of that, Alias. It would just be guessing from either side. I highly doubt she moved after that first shot, nevermind actually fired another. The no signs of tears part is just strange and not sure what you're trying to get at with that.


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Re: How Did Jeremy Shoot Sheila?
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2014, 09:16:PM »
I'm not sure how I'm meant to know any of that, Alias. It would just be guessing from either side. I highly doubt she moved after that first shot, nevermind actually fired another. The no signs of tears part is just strange and not sure what you're trying to get at with that.

What happened to 'BaroldP?'  ;D
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Re: How Did Jeremy Shoot Sheila?
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2014, 09:17:PM »
What happened to 'BaroldP?'  ;D

How would I know?

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Re: How Did Jeremy Shoot Sheila?
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2014, 09:17:PM »
What happened to 'BaroldP?'  ;D
He's hiding from you Steph.

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Re: How Did Jeremy Shoot Sheila?
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2014, 09:21:PM »
I'm not sure how I'm meant to know any of that, Alias. It would just be guessing from either side. I highly doubt she moved after that first shot, nevermind actually fired another. The no signs of tears part is just strange and not sure what you're trying to get at with that.

I am not really expecting you to know all that. It was just that scipio claimed with great certainty that he knew how she sat and how Jeremy held the rifle (at the hip) - I can´t see there is room for that, especially with the silencer fitted. I would like to hear from him how he imagines she was positioned for the second shot.
I asked guilters in general, because since you think Jeremy shot her, you might have an idea how it happened. I think this is important.
I agree that she must have been sitting for the first shot, but I think she may have sat on the bed, "leaning into" the rifle (sans moderator), which was resting on the floor. I think she must have leaned forward/to her right side and put her hand/wrist to the wound - you can tell that from the blood  on her right arm; than she must have slumped to the floor. She must have been conscious after the first shot, otherwise those blood-trails would not be on her arm.
She could also have been in a sitting position on the floor, leaning against the bedside cabinet - in that case, there would have been enough room for Jeremy. It would still have been an awkward position for him to shoot her in, can´t quite see it. The shot had an upwards angle.
I don´t think it is strange to think that a natural reaction from her would have been crying. She is at gunpoint in a blood filled room with the disfigured, bloodied, dead body of her mother was! Imagine the sight, the smell!

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Re: How Did Jeremy Shoot Sheila?
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2014, 09:53:PM »
 There was no room in that bedroom for a third person,,let alone one holding a rifle with a silencer on it.

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Re: How Did Jeremy Shoot Sheila?
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2014, 09:56:PM »
There was no room in that bedroom for a third person,,let alone one holding a rifle with a silencer on it.
At one point there must have been three people in there no matter how you look at it. Ralph, June Jeremy or Ralph June & Sheila. The room looks small but it's a main bedroom.

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Re: How Did Jeremy Shoot Sheila?
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2014, 10:18:PM »
it seems a horrible thing to discuss - but I have said it before - if you were using a gun to commit suicide or make it look like suicide - I don't think the area of the shots would be the most obvious.

If I was a murderer trying to set the scene or even commit suicide I would have put the gun in my mouth - only because that is how people  I have heard of have done it and how I have seen it on films.

In the neck like that would never have occurred to me .

And sad to say farmers that I have known of who have done it have always used shotguns.