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Offline Adam

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The order of deaths if it was Sheila:
« on: June 14, 2014, 01:27:PM »
Jeremy left a fully loaded rifle at WHF - 11 bullets.

Sheila fired 11 bullets in the main bedroom. Hitting an awake Neville & June in the torso and head with virtually each bullet. June staggers a few feet out of bed. June dies.

Neville, for some reason runs downstairs. Not to phone Jeremy, as he had been shot in the throat. Sheila runs after him. Giving him a brutal beating in the kitchen. Then reloading and firing another three bullets into Neville. Neville dies.

Sheila fires the remaining 8 bullets of the reloaded gun into the asleep twins. It is not possible to determine which twin was shot first. The twins die.

Sheila reloads two bullets. Then fires the first bullet into herself.  With the silencer on. She then takes the silencer off and takes it downstairs. Putting it in a box at the back of the gun cupboard.

Sheila returns upstairs and fires the second shot into herself, in the main bedroom. Sheila dies.

So in short, the order of deaths are - June
                                                                 Neville
                                                                 The twins
                                                                 Sheila.

« Last Edit: June 14, 2014, 01:28:PM by Adam »
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Re: The order of deaths if it was Sheila:
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2014, 01:34:PM »
 Neville hadn't been shot in the throat when he rang Jeremy  ::)

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Re: The order of deaths if it was Sheila:
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2014, 01:44:PM »
Jeremy left a fully loaded rifle at WHF - 11 bullets.

Sheila fired 11 bullets in the main bedroom. Hitting an awake Neville & June in the torso and head with virtually each bullet. June staggers a few feet out of bed. June dies.

Neville, for some reason runs downstairs. Not to phone Jeremy, as he had been shot in the throat. Sheila runs after him. Giving him a brutal beating in the kitchen. Then reloading and firing another three bullets into Neville. Neville dies.

Sheila fires the remaining 8 bullets of the reloaded gun into the asleep twins. It is not possible to determine which twin was shot first. The twins die.

Sheila reloads two bullets. Then fires the first bullet into herself.  With the silencer on. She then takes the silencer off and takes it downstairs. Putting it in a box at the back of the gun cupboard.

Sheila returns upstairs and fires the second shot into herself, in the main bedroom. Sheila dies.

So in short, the order of deaths are - June
                                                                 Neville
                                                                 The twins
                                                                 Sheila.
Note: He didn't leave a fully loaded gun. He took off the magazine from the gun. Then he took one bullet out of the breech. That leaves 10 bullets in the magazine. Both the magazine and the gun he apparently left on the settle outside the kitchen.
So what are you going to do with the 10 bullets.

Also there is no way that anyone can prove the order of deaths in the house. You can "assume", but not "prove".

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Re: The order of deaths if it was Sheila:
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2014, 01:53:PM »
Neville hadn't been shot in the throat when he rang Jeremy  ::)

Neville must have rang Jeremy before he was shot. As he was shot twice,  in the head & neck upstairs.

The killings must have happened between 3.15am - 3.48am.
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Re: The order of deaths if it was Sheila:
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2014, 01:54:PM »
Note: He didn't leave a fully loaded gun. He took off the magazine from the gun. Then he took one bullet out of the breech. That leaves 10 bullets in the magazine. Both the magazine and the gun he apparently left on the settle outside the kitchen.
So what are you going to do with the 10 bullets.

Also there is no way that anyone can prove the order of deaths in the house. You can "assume", but not "prove".

Why would he take one bullet out of the breach ?

Anyway, source please.
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Re: The order of deaths if it was Sheila:
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2014, 01:55:PM »
Neville must have rang Jeremy before he was shot. As he was shot twice,  in the head & neck upstairs.

The killings must have happened between 3.15am - 3.48am.
I doubt it very much that he was shot in the neck upstairs?

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Re: The order of deaths if it was Sheila:
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2014, 04:23:AM »
Note: He didn't leave a fully loaded gun. He took off the magazine from the gun. Then he took one bullet out of the breech. That leaves 10 bullets in the magazine. Both the magazine and the gun he apparently left on the settle outside the kitchen.
So what are you going to do with the 10 bullets.

First of all he claims he was unsure if he fully loaded the magazine.  He sia dhe was in a rush to get the rabbits so might not have fully loaded the magazine.  He said there were between 5 and 10 rounds in 1 statement and between 8 and 10 rounds in another statement.

Even if it had 10 that leaves only 9 in the magazine unless he reloaded the bullet he removed from the chamber into the magazine.  He never specified what he allegedly did with the bullet he claims he removed from the chamber, he could have tossed it into the pile of bullets that was spilled he could have placed it in the pastic rack, he could have reloaded it into the magazine or could have even taken it home with him. 

This is if one even believes his story of taking the rifle out which is not really credible.


Also there is no way that anyone can prove the order of deaths in the house. You can "assume", but not "prove".

Actually there is evidence that tell us the order of the shots to an extent. 

The shooting started in the master bedroom because 11 rounds were fired there.  That is the maximum capacity of the rifle, 1 in the chamber, 10 in the mag. Someone would only have the maximum capacity at the outset.  After that you will at best have full magazines. The evidence is bosltered by the fact that Nevill and June would be the greatest threat to contend with so would be the ones you want to kill first.  There is no way to tell the exact order of those 11 wounds caused by the 11 shots of course. June died though while Nevill did not.

With the gun empty and Nevill only wounded either the killer fled with Nevill chasing  or Nevill ran with the killer giving chase.  Either way when in the kitchen together Nevill tried to take the weapon away and was beaten unconscous then the killer reloaded 4 rounds and shot Nevill in the head 4 times killing him.  The killer reloaded the magazine fully then either killed the boys with 8 and used the last 2 on Sheila or used 2 on Sheila and the last 8 on the boys.  This is where the uncertainty is.  Obviously those insisting Sheila was the killer say the boys were killed before she was.  The reality is that Jeremy was the killer and we will never know if he killed the boys first or Sheila.

If Sheila was moving around when he went upstairs then killing her first would make sense.  If not then it makes more sense to kill the boys so that of Sheila gave him trouble that he would not have to worry about the boys escaping.

He needed to make sure he killed Sheila by firing a very close range.  If he fired from far away then he is toast because how coul she shoot herself from far away?  So he needed to stage the shots into her. He would not want to have to worry about escaping boys as he did so.  But if she were out of her room already he might have no choice but to kill her first.

The evidence can only tell you so much. Unless the killer talks you can't know everything.

 
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Re: The order of deaths if it was Sheila:
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2014, 10:57:AM »
 If you all did but know the sadness in the farmhouse that night. Psychologically speaking,Sheila wasn't as sick as her mother,June was,,who had,over the years,suffered from nervous moods,,and was " living on the edge " quite a few times with her irrational outbursts when life dealt a blow. Screaming at Sheila when the girl became pregnant at 17. Organising her life for her,,screaming again when Sheila was divorced..It was these frenzied outbursts of Junes' which were to end in disaster.

Sheila was the more sensitive of the two women,,while June could be feisty towards Sheila,and the rot was set in after Sheila had finished school,returning to the staunch and staid atmosphere of WHF after having been with girls of her own age,talking about boys and music.
June didn't relent and tensions were at breaking point most of the time.
 June was bringing up Sheila and Jeremy the way she,herself was brought up,the poor woman not knowing any different than a very sheltered life,,her only contacts being the church and the local village.


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Re: The order of deaths if it was Sheila:
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2014, 11:00:AM »
If you all did but know the sadness in the farmhouse that night. Psychologically speaking,Sheila wasn't as sick as her mother,June was,,who had,over the years,suffered from nervous moods,,and was " living on the edge " quite a few times with her irrational outbursts when life dealt a blow. Screaming at Sheila when the girl became pregnant at 17. Organising her life for her,,screaming again when Sheila was divorced..It was these frenzied outbursts of Junes' which were to end in disaster.

Sheila was the more sensitive of the two women,,while June could be feisty towards Sheila,and the rot was set in after Sheila had finished school,returning to the staunch and staid atmosphere of WHF after having been with girls of her own age,talking about boys and music.
June didn't relent and tensions were at breaking point most of the time.
 June was bringing up Sheila and Jeremy the way she,herself was brought up,the poor woman not knowing any different than a very sheltered life,,her only contacts being the church and the local village.
I would prefer the word "we" lookout.

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Re: The order of deaths if it was Sheila:
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2014, 11:02:AM »
 Okay,Grahame----------we. ;D