Judges possible 'curious coincidences'

[Adam]

He didn't kill the twins first.  He killed June and Nevill first.  He loaded the gun to capacity (11 rounds) then went to their room to kill them.  He killed the twins and Sheila with the same magazine load.  What we don't know for sure is whether he killed the twins or Sheila first.

But how he staged her death figured prominently in his thoughts of how things would be viewed.

I agree and have just created a thread.

An awake June & Neville did nothing to prevent Sheila from firstly firing the gun. And then nothing to restrain Sheila once the firing started.

Sheila was also very accurate for someone who had never fired a gun. Hitting moving targets Neville & June 11 times. Five times in the head.

[scipio_usmc]

But we don't know whether this was a one gun crime,as there were different sized bullet holes in Nevill's body as the Andrew Hunter book draft tells us. You cannot possibly know for certain the order of deaths.

Entrance wounds and exit wounds both vary naturally.  The bullets removed from his body were all 22 caliber.  The bullets removed from all victims and the remainder found at the scene were all 22 caliber.

The size of an entrace wound has to do with the bullet not the gun that fired it.  At any rate the casings indicate the bullet came from the same gun and a majority of the bullets themselves were tied to the barrel.  The ones that were too damaged to be tied for sure were all still 22 caliber and their casings were matched to it.

We know June was killed then Nevill in the kitchen.  What we don't know is whether the boys died next or Sheila.  He coudl have done it either way, the boys first makes more sense but if Sheila were moving around then killing her first might make more sense.

[lookout]

 We had two women here------one defending her children,,the other defending her husband.
 This is the way I've always seen it,,,except that Jeremy isn't included !

[Steve_uk]

Entrance wounds and exit wounds both vary naturally.  The bullets removed from his body were all 22 caliber.  The bullets removed from all victims and the remainder found at the scene were all 22 caliber.

The size of an entrace wound has to do with the bullet not the gun that fired it.  At any rate the casings indicate the bullet came from the same gun and a majority of the bullets themselves were tied to the barrel.  The ones that were too damaged to be tied for sure were all still 22 caliber and their casings were matched to it.

We know June was killed then Nevill in the kitchen.  What we don't know is whether the boys died next or Sheila.  He coudl have done it either way, the boys first makes more sense but if Sheila were moving around then killing her first might make more sense.

We know nothing of the kind as far as the order of deaths is concerned. Admittedly ballistics is not my strong point.

[grahameb]

He didn't kill the twins first.  He killed June and Nevill first.  He loaded the gun to capacity (11 rounds) then went to their room to kill them.  He killed the twins and Sheila with the same magazine load.  What we don't know for sure is whether he killed the twins or Sheila first.

But how he staged her death figured prominently in his thoughts of how things would be viewed.

10 rounds excluding the one in the breech. You are only looking at it as if Jeremy committed the crime. No way can you tell who was killed first.

[grahameb]

But we don't know whether this was a one gun crime,as there were different sized bullet holes in Nevill's body as the Andrew Hunter book draft tells us. You cannot possibly know for certain the order of deaths.

You are correct Steve. These different size bullets are recorded by the pathologist, who recorded 1/4" bullet holes and 3/4" bullet holes. This is odd of course because all of the bullets that were allegedly recovered were all the same .22 and from the same rifle?

[scipio_usmc]

We know nothing of the kind as far as the order of deaths is concerned. Admittedly ballistics is not my strong point.

The information I cited previously speaks to order.

The markings on the casings and the bullets recovered tell us the caliber of weapon used and what type of gun was used. 

The order of the shootings and then what you raised about whether there wa smore than 1 wepaon used are different issues. 

The location and angle of entry of a bullet determines how big an entrance wound will be. They vary.  You can't determine the caliber of the bullet by the size of the entrance wound.  You need to find the bullet to determine the caliber.  Shell casings also tell us what caliber of wepaons were used.

In this case there were 25 .22 caliber bullets and 25 .22 shell casings and 25 wounds. So we know the wounds were all caused by a .22 caliber.  The casings were matched the the Anschutz  and so were a majority of the bullets.  because of the shell casings were matched we know it fired even the bullets that were too damaged to match to any particular weapon.

as for the order the 11 shots in the bedroom and that fact Nevill escaped tells us that was the first shooting scene.  11 rounds would only be used the initial time the weapon was used. (one in the chamber, 10 in the magazine)  The weapon had to be empty of Nevill would not have ende dup in the kitchen.  It still had to be empty as they fought in the kitchen or the killer would have shot Nevill instead of beating him.  He was beaten unconscious so the killer could reload in peace and then finished him off. 

At that point 15 rounds had been fired.  The killer reloaded the magazine fully.  All 10 of these rounds were fired. 8 into the boys and 2 into Sheila.  This is where the uncertainty lies.  Was she shot first or the boys?  The evidence doesn't tell us that.  If she were the killer she would have to have killed them first and herself last.  But if Jeremy was the murderer he could have done it in either order so only he could answer.