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Offline mike tesko

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He tampered with the integrity of the silencer, and possibly had something to do. With additional scratch marks appearing on the aga surround, and paint on silencer, and was the source from which the loose glake found its way into  the silencer by 11th September, if it was not deposited there as a result of the unofficial tesy fire of the rifle. Silencer. and control ammunition...
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He tampered with the integrity of the silencer, and possibly had something to do. With additional scratch marks appearing on the aga surround, and paint on silencer, and was the source from which the loose glake found its way into  the silencer by 11th September, if it was not deposited there as a result of the unofficial tesy fire of the rifle. Silencer. and control ammunition...

Everyday you have 10 more allegations without a shred of evidence to back up any of it.  What that does is reveal you are just making things up.

I now see why your crediiblity is so poor. 
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By anybody's standards, no matter who your name is, when you try to unscrew a  silencer suspected of having been used in a multiple shootings, it shows an intent to disturb its contents before experts at the lab' can carry out independant tests upon it. Furthermore, once you start scraping a flake of blood off the outside of the silencer with use of a razor blade, a flake of blood that you keep because it fascinates you, then what you are responsible for doing is tampering with evidence that has the potential to seal the fate of a defendant adversely. If you decide to keep that flake all to yourself, and utter not a word about what you did, and have done with it, in the full knowlege that that crucial piece of dried blood you took from the silencer could help to prove a defendants innocence, but because of greed and an unhealthy desire to try to make sure that someone you do not like, gets convicted for a series of murders, surely if you are the person who has undertaken such incriminating acts, is nothing but a common criminal, a spineless person who hasn't got the decency to admit publickly to what they have done...

Many questions surounding these matters remain unanswered by such a cowardly despicable person and his supporters...

And clear evidence exists to prove that what I am reporting did take place...
« Last Edit: June 13, 2014, 10:46:PM by mike tesko »
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Whenever 'guilty' supporters get involved in a discussion, they claim what they are saying is the only truth, and that evidence exists to support everything they are talking about. On the otherhand, whenever anyone from the 'innocent camp say anything, there isn't a shred of evidence to back up anything said about the case, but the 'guilty' camp just make things up without any evidence at all to support what they say. They make things up and then continue to promote whatever it is they make up, as though it is an established fact, when clearly it is not...
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"I've got something up my sleeve', that is what Ann Eaton was told by her brother David, a telling thing to say before the silencer was handed over to police by Ann Eaton on the 11th September 1985...

A telling thing for David Boutflour to say to his sister...

The timing of these comments fell so conveniently, and obviously were a reference to the loose flake of blood supposedly found inside a silencer, on the very same day that Ann Eaton hands over the silencer to police (11th September 1985). No sooner does Ann hand over the second silencer to police on 11th September, than Fletcher is claiming he had dismantled the silencer ( already at the lab' since 30th August) and discovered the loose flake trapped between the first couple of baffles, and David Boutflour gets in on the act on the following day, by telephoning police to report that he had found the silencer to the gun...

« Last Edit: June 13, 2014, 11:06:PM by mike tesko »
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"I've got something up my sleeve', that is what Ann Eaton was told by her brother David, a telling thing to say before the silencer was handed over to police by Ann Eaton on the 11th September 1985...

A telling thing for David Boutflour to say to his sister...

The timing of these comments fell so conveniently, and obviously were a reference to the loose flake of blood supposedly found inside a silencer, on the very same day that Ann Eaton hands over the silencer to police (11th September 1985). No sooner does Ann hand over the second silencer to police on 11th September, than Fletcher is claiming he had dismantled the silencer ( already at the lab' since 30th August) and discovered the loose flake trapped between the first couple of baffles, and David Boutflour gets in on the act on the following day, by telephoning police to report that he had found the silencer to the gun...

You can call the flake "loose" as many times as you like but it won't change the fact that the expert said it was stuck in between the 1st and 2nd baffle, the court found it was stuck there and even the appeal court found it dried to the suppressor not a loose flake floating around. 

Moreover, you can ignore that the blood found by the defense expert on the first 8 baffles was determined to be group A blood all you like but it won't change the fact that such blood was found and therefore attacking only the flake of blood accomplishes nothing.

You have to establish that blood was planted in the suppressor in a manner that sprayed group A blood on the first 8 baffles.

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June Bamber had A type blood, and it is a well established biological fact that A type blood can mask O type blood when both are mixed together. A presence of A type blood on baffles does not make the blood in the silencer unique to Sheila Caffell.  A type blood on baffles could have been an intimate mixture of Ralph and June Bambers bloods. Furthermore, no expert has ever said the loose flake was ever stuck between the first two baffle plates, so lets get that fact right. You have no evidence to back up your ridiculous claim, you do not even know the name of the expert who is supposed to have discovered the loose flake. The opinion of the court of appeal is not direct evidence of anything, they have got it wrong on so many other occasions in similar miscarriages of justice...

The expert who discovered the loose flake, says that it was 'trapped' between the first two baffles, he has never said that the loose flake was stuck there. Furthermore, how can the loose flake have been stuck between baffles 1 and 2 on 11th September 1985, when on the 29th August 1985, Cook had dismantled the silencer and separated the metal end cap, top washer, and the first five of the 17 baffle plates from eachother so that there was a discernable gap between baffles 1 and 2, 2 and 3, 3 and 4, 4 and 5, and 5 and 6?

So, what this establishes beyond any shadow of a doubt, is that as of the 29th August 1985, there could not have been any loose flake stuck between baffles 1 and 2, like I am saying. Equally, by 11th September 1985, when Fletcher supposedly discovers the loose flake in the silencer, it could not possibly have been stuck between baffles 1 and 2, because on 29th August Cook had already separated the baffle plates in question, he had then rebuilt the silencer, and before he sent it off to the lab' on the following day (30th August), Cook had screwed the rebuilt silencer back onto the thread on the end of the anshulz rifle barrel a fact or should I say, a series of facts confirmed by reference to photographic evidence taken by Cook at the time he dismantled and had rebuilt the silencer and fitted it directly onto the gun barrel...

The court which tried the case, never got to hear about Cooks activities (or even David Boutflours activities) where both deliverately tampered with the silencer. The court of trial and appeal have never yet had to consider the impact of tampering with the silencer by Boutflour amd Cook, so put that in your pipe and smoke it...

The loose flake that was examined between 12th and 19th September 1985, could not possibly have been stuck between baffles 1 and 2 on the 11th September 1985 when it was supposedly found inside the silencer, if when on the 29th August the aforementioned baffle plates had clearly been separated...

Anyone who is trying to suggest otherwise has to be barmy in the head...

« Last Edit: June 14, 2014, 07:37:AM by mike tesko »
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The other team have twisted the word 'trapped", into "stuck", to try and minimise the impact of how the loose flake got into the silencer, if it ever was discovered there at all. To me, there are several logical explanation for such a loose flake to have been discovered trapped between the baffles of the silencer by 11th September 1985, with a suspicion that the loose flake was never found inside the silencer at all, but is the flake David Boutflour says he scraped off the outside of the silencer in some as yet unannounced occasion when he could not possibly have had access to the silencer once ut was taken to Ann Eatons home and kept in storage there until it was eventually collected by DS Jones...

It is much more likely that David Boutflour obtained the loose flake of blood from Sheila Caffells bloodied knickers that his sister Ann Eaton had removed from the scene, and that the loose flake Boutflour is referring to when he speaks to COLP about it, is a sample of Sheila's menstrual blood...

« Last Edit: June 14, 2014, 07:49:AM by mike tesko »
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Everyday you have 10 more allegations without a shred of evidence to back up any of it.  What that does is reveal you are just making things up.

I now see why your crediiblity is so poor.
So what do you think about the words of David Boutflour when he said to Ann Eaton, "I've got something up my sleeve". A running flush?

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 Another silencer,perhaps ?

 

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May be David intended to put the flake he scraped from the outside of the silencer, internally...
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Whenever 'guilty' supporters get involved in a discussion, they claim what they are saying is the only truth, and that evidence exists to support everything they are talking about. On the otherhand, whenever anyone from the 'innocent camp say anything, there isn't a shred of evidence to back up anything said about the case, but the 'guilty' camp just make things up without any evidence at all to support what they say. They make things up and then continue to promote whatever it is they make up, as though it is an established fact, when clearly it is not...
Don't worry about then Mike. They're sole purpose here is to goad people.

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June Bamber had A type blood, and it is a well established biological fact that A type blood can mask O type blood when both are mixed together. A presence of A type blood on baffles does not make the blood in the silencer unique to Sheila Caffell.  A type blood on baffles could have been an intimate mixture of Ralph and June Bambers bloods.

No it couldn't.

You have things BACKWARDS.

If their blood intimately mixed then there is NO WAY for the blood to have been Nevill and June's blood mixed.

You have to argue that their blood DID NOT intimately mix.  That requires establishing that the blood of one dried before the blood of the other was deposited on top of said dry blood.  That is the only possibly way they might not intimately mix.

The defense was unable to establish why it would not intimately mix so didn't use their own expert.  The prosecution expert tested how hot the suppressor would get after being fired and found it would not be hot enough to rapidly dry blood. There would have been no reason for the blood not to intimately mix that is the problem.

June's blood EAP, BA, AK2-1, Hp2-1.  Sheila's blood was EAP, BA, AK1, HP2-1.

The blood found was EAP, BA, AK1, HP2-1 so matched Sheila's

Nevill's blood was BAP, BA, AK1, Hp2-1

So if June and Nevill's blood had intimately mixed the following would have been detected:

EAP, BAP, BA, AK1, AK2-1, Hp2-1.

However, if their blood did not intimately mix then SOME of the elements could be detected together but some other elements of their blood could potentially be missing from any set sample.

Scenario:

June's blood dries.  Some of Nevill's blood splashes June's blood.  Some lands right on June's blood and dries on top of it but some dries next to it or nearby but not exactly on it. In such case it theoretically would be possible for AK-1 to dry on June's but for the BAP to not make it into the sample.

In contrast if the blood intimately mixes then when it dries the sample will contain all elements of both bloods.

So the only way to argue it was June and Nevill's blood is to establish their blood did not intimately mix and thus in theory could be a mixture of their bloods without the experts being able to realize it.

The defense had no evidence to estbalish this would happen and to this day is unable to offer any evidence as to how the blood would not intimately mix.  Worse, the defense has to simultaneously argue that no intimate mixing occurred and that Sheila used the suppressor to kill them both then put the suppressor away after using it.

This means it has to be argued that before the killings she went to the closet and installed the suppressor, she didn't just grab the gun from the kitchen and use it as she would have found it if Jeremy's claims were true, then she killed everyone with it attached.  Then she removed it put it away and went back upstairs to kill herself.

The claim she got it formt he closet to use doesn't comport with how a crazy person would act.  Nor would one bother to go put it away in the closet so no on ewould know it had been used.  If she needed to remove it because it prevented her from killing herself then she would simply leave it in the same room somewhere not go downstairs to put it away.

So the argument doesn't work well at all form any standpoint and there is no evidence at all to support it since there is no viable way for intimate mixing to not occur unless there was a very sizable gap in time between when both parents had been shot.   

 
Furthermore, no expert has ever said the loose flake was ever stuck between the first two baffle plates, so lets get that fact right. You have no evidence to back up your ridiculous claim, you do not even know the name of the expert who is supposed to have discovered the loose flake. The opinion of the court of appeal is not direct evidence of anything, they have got it wrong on so many other occasions in similar miscarriages of justice...

The expert who discovered the loose flake, says that it was 'trapped' between the first two baffles, he has never said that the loose flake was stuck there. Furthermore, how can the loose flake have been stuck between baffles 1 and 2 on 11th September 1985, when on the 29th August 1985, Cook had dismantled the silencer and separated the metal end cap, top washer, and the first five of the 17 baffle plates from eachother so that there was a discernable gap between baffles 1 and 2, 2 and 3, 3 and 4, 4 and 5, and 5 and 6?

The expert said the blood had dried there, had been trapped and had to be scraped from it.  That is why the court declared it had dried there.  Your claim the flake was loose and floating aorund is a lie you made up to try to make your bogus contmaination claims more credible.

You might have no problem debating peopel who are uninformed and who are supporters of Jeremy so will not quesiton your claims but it will not work against me.

As for your claim that Cook dismantled the suppressor prior to the blood being scraped away by the biologist, he didn't state such in any of his statements.  In his COLP statement he only talked about fingerprinting the outside of the suppressor.  He also talking about superglue fuming the rifle and photographing the rifle.  That is what he did on 8/21/85 according to his statement not dismantle the suppressor.

The photos he sent to Fletcher were taken after the biologist had the suppressor dismantled and examined it.  You are making a bunch of bogus claims.  Whether it is intentional or just error makes no difference in either case you are wrong.

While you claim to be so well informed it is a rather serious blunder to argue the blood intimately mixed and therefore belonged to both when the defense argued it did not intimately mix.  Your comprehension of the evidence in the case is not as good as you think it is. 

The loose flake idea is an invention of yours not reality.  That is why the claim has no legs and wasn't advanced to an Court of Appeals. 


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The ABO blood grouping system - familiar from blood transfusions - splits most of the population into the blood groups A, B, O and AB. The ABO system was also used to characterise blood in the sound moderator. The ABO blood groups reflect the structure of antigens attached to red blood cell membranes and antibodies in the blood. ABO antigens and antibodies are unrelated to the AK enzymes. The statement "The blood flake was analyzed and found to contain the AK1 enzyme therefore it came from someone with blood group A." is gibberish. A person's AK type does not predict that person's ABO group.