why dident they go in.

[Alias]

The fact remains that I can actually explain my position in full and back up my positions because I already looked at all facets and decided to follow the evidence while you decided you will assert Jeremy ins innocent no matter what so have no evidentiary basis for your beliefs and thus can't rationally back up any of your claims.

The fact I point such out is why you can't stand me.

You haven´t explained how Shiela was shot in a believable way. What you claim happened is impossible. You claim "victory" on a very flimsy ground. Makes you look stupid, really.

[lookout]

I did not know the bit highlighted in red - posted on this forum by admin
PC Myall in his statement of 8th Aug 85 states that on arrival a short conversation occurred with Jeremy Bamber who stated what his father had said in a phone call to him, also what guns were in the house and that his sister had a history of psychological illness. He then states that himself, Sgt Bews and Jeremy Bamber went to investigate the house. Oddly PC Myalls makes no mention of the incident in this statement of his seeing someone in the master bedroom walking in front of the window. It was the only incident of note that occurred during the investigation of the house. PC Myall, Sgt Bews and Jeremy Bamber all ducked down behind a hedge. It is odd that this is not included in his statement nor that the light was on in the master bedroom yet PC Myall in the Major Incident Project document asks for that unidentified male to be looked for using finger print elimination. It could be that prior to this 8th August 1985 witness statement was given to the defence that this sighting of someone in the window was edited out. No prosecution could go ahead against Jeremy Bamber if the police in their very own statements were admitting someone was alive in the house when they arrived. Interestingly the pocket books of PC Myall, Sgt Bews and PC Saxby have never been made available to the defence for inspection of their entries on 8th Aug 85. It may be the case that no mention was made of the sighting of someone in the bedroom window, however when Sgt Bews was cross examined about this incident at trial he agreed that they all ducked down behind the hedge but claims that the movement was only a shadow or trick of light but it was significant enough for him to recall that it had happened. If this sighting had been included in the witness statements then the case against Jeremy Bamber would have collapsed.

 The " shadow " was also significant enough to have called in the raid team too ! Or else why bother ?

[grahameb]

 The " shadow " was also significant enough to have called in the raid team too ! Or else why bother ?

You also remember the "trick of the light" also had gender. It was apparently a male figure. Just how an idendified male figure could turn into a "trick of the light" I am personally at a loss.
Nah! I think Bamber was well and truly set up by certain people?

[nugnug]

well im allways thinking im seeing figures and then finding out its a trick of the light.

[lookout]

You also remember the "trick of the light" also had gender. It was apparently a male figure. Just how an idendified male figure could turn into a "trick of the light" I am personally at a loss.
Nah! I think Bamber was well and truly set up by certain people?

Of course he was set up,Grahame. I'll say it for the umpteenth time,,that it WAS a domestic. I can feel it in my water. There was GREAT cause for it to have been a domestic situation. The atmosphere would have been electric in that farmhouse.

To have described it as a male figure,,it was probably Neville trying to get the attention of the police. Blood on the sills may have been Neville again wanting to shout out of the window.That blood was never tested,,but quickly wiped by Mrs Fusspot. Any bloody prints would have come from Neville as he struggled to try and get help away from the situation he was in. All while Jeremy was outside. Poor Neville was a fighter to the finish.

Bews didn't give himself chance to stand and stare at the figure in the window,,he was away for slates to the safety of his car. This " trick of the light " left his fingerprints too by the way !

[scipio_usmc]

You haven´t explained how Shiela was shot in a believable way. What you claim happened is impossible. You claim "victory" on a very flimsy ground. Makes you look stupid, really.

You didn't prove it impossible.  I proved your claim impossible and you don't like that I did so you created a the false claim that I said she was sitting against the bedthen showed a photo of how little space there is ad claimed such was not possible.

I noted the FACT that was shot while seated against something then pulled flat.  I never claimed she was seated against the bed.  The evidence doesn't say if she was against the chair, against the wall, in the corner or against the nightstand.  She could have been against any.  The chair could even have been moved so she could lean against it then put back against the wall.  All the evidence tells us is she was seated leaning against something not exactly where she was seated leaning against something.

Your claim she was hanging off the bed leaning forward as she shot herself is not possible.  She would have fallen face down onto the floor so would not have blend on her arm and gown in the manner she did.  Moreover, then the rifle would have had blood inside of it.

She was seated for both shots in the same position with the bullets fired only a few seconds apart according to the ME.  During the few seconds in between shots she beld on her arm and gown.  She was then dragged flat so that the blood went down the side of her neck and pooled on the floor.
   

     

[Jan]

perhaps you could draw a little sketch of where jb was with the gun - his position and the angle of the gun  ?

[maggie]

perhaps you could draw a little sketch of where jb was with the gun - his position and the angle of the gun  ?

It would maybe clarify jansus    I struggle to form ANY image in my head as to how anyone was able to shoot a concious Sheila at that angle. There is no feasible explanation which is why guilters claim she was sedated but her pm found no evidence of sedation and her hiperidol was at a low ebb after being halved and also close to her needing another dose.

[Jan]

it would also have to be to scale as far as possible to show the correct length of the gun.

I agree he would not have to restrain her because she would be terrified - but I bet your first instincts would be to put your hands up to protect yourself - or at the last moment when you know it is inevitable at least try and turn away or run even .

[maggie]

it would also have to be to scale as far as possible to show the correct length of the gun.

I agree he would not have to restrain her because she would be terrified - but I bet your first instincts would be to put your hands up to protect yourself - or at the last moment when you know it is inevitable at least try and turn away or run even .

I do believe you could be frozen with fear but not for too long anyone would have needed to have placed themselves in an awkward position with some manouvering? , surely adreneline would have kicked in .... fight of flight? 

[Jane]

Never having had the experience of a gun in my face, I can only imagine that if I wasn't frozen with fear I'd either shield my face OR attempt to push the barrel aside to deflect the shot. However I'm fully aware that reason and emotion are polarized.

[Alias]

perhaps you could draw a little sketch of where jb was with the gun - his position and the angle of the gun  ?

Jeremy´s position while shooting Sheila is problematic. Hasn´t been explained.

[Jane]

Jeremy´s position while shooting Sheila is problematic. Hasn´t been explained.

Alias!!!! Of course you know Scipio TOLD you He'd have been sitting, crouching or laying.

[Alias]

Alias!!!! Of course you know Scipio TOLD you He'd have been sitting, crouching or laying.

Silly me!! 

[lookout]

 I've just got a picture of both women fighting to the finish,,both on the floor,one just about sitting half-propped up by the door,just feet away from her opponent who's lying down after the first shot ( delivered ) ,then the second fatal one. Which would see both women dying almost simultaneously.

Of the rifle-------I don't know,,because it looked as though it had been placed there,and if EP did that,then they got it wrong,,because I'd like to bet that the photographed " scene " WASN'T how it actually was.