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The Pargeter rifle
« on: June 07, 2014, 05:03:PM »
Did Pargeter break the law by taking either the rifle or even the bolt action component from WHF?
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It must be stated that firearms certificates are serious and uncompromising documents; improper removal of Pargeter’s rifle from White House Farm without the necessary documentation was a criminal offence. Pargeter was fully aware of the firearm laws: ‘…any firearm that is licensed to be kept in accordance with conditions attached to a firearm’s certificate shall not be removed from the place nominated on the certificate unless notification is given to the relevant police authorities…’ To get any type of variation on a firearms certificate takes time. To believe – for reasons never explained – that Pargeter chose some weeks or months before the murders to suddenly change his firearms certificate and that the approval came through a matter of days before the killings occurred takes some digesting. If this was the case, Essex police would have been extremely interested in such a bizarre coincidence, but they didn’t ask Nevill Bamber’s nephew any such questions, because they knew Pargeter’s gun was at the Bamber farm when the murders took place. Added to the entire idiocy of Pargeter’s story is the fact that Nevill was a Justice of the Peace and sat on the bench at Witham Magistrates’ Court; Nevill would never have allowed Pargeter to unlawfully remove his .22 Bruno bolt action rifle from White House Farm where it was licensed to be stored.

Anthony Pargeter made a number of official witness statements to the Essex police in 1985/86 which were relied upon as part of the prosecution case against Jeremy. He made it clear that he had kept the .22 rifle at White House Farm since 1980, that he always kept it at the farm, and that on the penultimate weekend before the murders he had gone to White House Farm to fit a new telescopic sight to his rifle. Pargeter, in his own signed and cautioned witness statements, then said he had fired some rounds before returning to his Buckinghamshire home and that he had left his .22 rifle at White House Farm.

Pargeter retrospectively claimed that as a precaution he had removed the bolt from his gun! (It’s hard not to conclude that Pargeter’s claim he took the bolt home was simply an attempt to distance himself from any indirect responsibility for the murders. Not only was it an impractical thing to do, but both Anthony Pargeter and Nevill Bamber (and the police officers who took the statement) were aware that the bolt is a section 1 component part of a firearm and is governed by the conditions imposed upon a firearms certificate, and therefore it would have been illegal to removed the bolt from the Bamber farmhouse.

Ann Eaton’s handwritten notes also confirm that the gun case in which Pargeter always kept his .22 rifle was recovered from the farmhouse downstairs toilet shortly after the murders and handed back to Pargeter, making further nonsense of the claim Pargeter had changed his firearms certificate and removed the rifle itself. The witness statement of David Boutflour (dated October 31 1985) indicates that the weapon belonging to Anthony Pargeter was stored at White House Farm, supporting Jeremy’s statements, and supported by Pargeter’s own statements in 1985 and 1986.

Six years later, Pargeter made an official statement to City of London Police which utterly contradicted the evidence he gave to Essex CID

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Re: The Pargeter rifle
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2014, 05:09:PM »
 Yes he did break the law because it was registered at WHF,,and if it had been found that it had been used in a crime scene,he'd probably have had his ownership revoked.

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« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2014, 06:18:PM »
yes he certanly did.

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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2014, 06:21:PM »
 Firearms certificates are drawn up legally. Pargeter broke the law !

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Re: The Pargeter rifle
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2014, 06:31:PM »
well you cant just remove things from a crime scene without permission.

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« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2014, 06:39:PM »
 It would appear so,nugs.  :o

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« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2014, 06:51:PM »
and before says it wasnt a crime scene then it most certanly was.

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« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2014, 06:53:PM »
 It was indeed.

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« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2014, 07:12:PM »
4 murders and a suicide is still a crime scene.

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« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2014, 07:17:PM »
 Of course it is. Though judging by the performance of EP------------------------

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Re: The Pargeter rifle
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2014, 08:25:PM »
I rather think it was at WHF the day of the murders. I further think that it was photographed at WHF on the day of the murders. I think also that Pargeter wanted to distance himself from the scene of the murders. Why on earth and for what reason would Pargeter have for removing the bolt from his rifle just the week before the murders.
Let me make it clear. I do not think that he had anything to do with the murders. But by giving the impression that there was only one gun at WHF on the night of the murders forces the police to falsify their statements in combining the guns into one gun.
For if two guns were used and not just one it would have been much easier for Sheila and indeed Jeremy to shoot all those people.
Notice also the way they were shot. Not in an orderly way as if it was carefully planned. But bullets hit the bodies (remember all at close range) everywhere as if in a panic.

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Re: The Pargeter rifle
« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2014, 08:31:PM »
 Either a frenzy,,or to get it over quickly.

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« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2014, 08:31:PM »
that would fit with the sighting of somthing that looked like a riffle by 3 police officers.

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Re: The Pargeter rifle
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2014, 08:36:PM »
that would fit with the sighting of somthing that looked like a riffle by 3 police officers.
If the spent ammo was anything to go by there could have been  two guns used, even if the same box of ammo was used?

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Re: The Pargeter rifle
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2014, 08:56:PM »
the qustion is why did he remove it why dident he want to leave it around.

was he worried about being falsely acused if so why.