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chelmsey

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Re: As a result of Jeremy's call to the police at 3:36am (3:26am)?
« Reply #75 on: March 19, 2011, 08:23:PM »
Just by checking on google for Police abbreviations i found that CD= Communications Department, nothing for CW though.

Well done.Of coarse it is Communications Dept!
CW is clearly a person and not referring to JB or Ralph either! Im positive it must be Detective "Chief" Inspector Wright. In the first log it states
 HQIR informed
CW informed
and unit + Duty Ps despatched
A/INSP Targrass informed
Informant requesting to attend scene

From this,we can gather CW does not refer to trying to communicate with Ralph by landline,as you cant inform anyone of anything if they dont answer the phone.
And we can also gather it does not refer to JB as at the bottom he is referred to as Informant.

As for MBs log,it is clearly stated that it  is passed on information from Wests log.

So NO call from Ralph to the police after-all. I always thought that it seemed odd that Ralph would quote EXACTLY the same message as he was alleged to have said to JB.And if the situation had been that serious that he could not wait for JB to arrive,surely he would have dialled 999.If this is part of "evidence of a cover-up" that Jeremy is relying on to get out of prison,then I do very much worry for him!

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Re: As a result of Jeremy's call to the police at 3:36am (3:26am)?
« Reply #76 on: March 20, 2011, 07:38:AM »
It was "Informant requested", not "Informant requesting".

You do realize that DCI Wright was DCI Charles Wright? However, why would he be informed before it was even known that a crime had been committed?

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Re: As a result of Jeremy's call to the police at 3:36am (3:26am)?
« Reply #77 on: March 20, 2011, 11:53:AM »
Just by checking on google for Police abbreviations i found that CD= Communications Department, nothing for CW though.

Well done.Of coarse it is Communications Dept!
CW is clearly a person and not referring to JB or Ralph either! Im positive it must be Detective "Chief" Inspector Wright. In the first log it states
 HQIR informed
CW informed
and unit + Duty Ps despatched
A/INSP Targrass informed
Informant requesting to attend scene

From this,we can gather CW does not refer to trying to communicate with Ralph by landline,as you cant inform anyone of anything if they dont answer the phone.
And we can also gather it does not refer to JB as at the bottom he is referred to as Informant.

As for MBs log,it is clearly stated that it  is passed on information from Wests log.

So NO call from Ralph to the police after-all. I always thought that it seemed odd that Ralph would quote EXACTLY the same message as he was alleged to have said to JB.And if the situation had been that serious that he could not wait for JB to arrive,surely he would have dialled 999.If this is part of "evidence of a cover-up" that Jeremy is relying on to get out of prison,then I do very much worry for him!
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Re: As a result of Jeremy's call to the police at 3:36am (3:26am)?
« Reply #78 on: March 20, 2011, 05:38:PM »
It was "Informant requested", not "Informant requesting".

You do realize that DCI Wright was DCI Charles Wright? However, why would he be informed before it was even known that a crime had been committed?

I do beg your pardon Reader,no need to be picky,was writing in a hurry    ::)
Well,you have obviously solved that then.I did wonder what Wrights christian name might be.How would I know why he should be called? I am not a policeman.Maybe he was the top cop on duty that night and he needed to be phoned to be asked as how to deal with situation because firearms had been mentioned? Another policeman describes in his sequence of events how he telephoned Wright later and was told to go to whf and preserve the scene.In that context,it doesnt seem so strange that any of the POs were contacting Wright that morning then does it?

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Re: As a result of Jeremy's call to the police at 3:36am (3:26am)?
« Reply #79 on: March 22, 2011, 06:07:AM »
I think it's just a coincidence, as CW is used elsewhere in a way that suggests it's a place, not a person.

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Re: As a result of Jeremy's call to the police at 3:36am (3:26am)?
« Reply #80 on: March 22, 2011, 08:10:AM »
I think it's just a coincidence, as CW is used elsewhere in a way that suggests it's a place, not a person.

I think it's a place too, I just don't know which place.  ;D

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Re: As a result of Jeremy's call to the police at 3:36am (3:26am)?
« Reply #81 on: March 23, 2011, 11:27:AM »
"CW" is mentioned quite a lot in the wireless log by the person writing down what's happening, and it doesn't appear to relate to a person.


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Re: As a result of Jeremy's call to the police at 3:36am (3:26am)?
« Reply #82 on: March 24, 2011, 11:59:AM »
Not wishing to muddy the waters (but I am going to anyway  :P). Are we sure that PC West refers to contacting CW and not CN? Just if you look at his "W"s and "N"s in the rest of his log, I am not sure that it is a W.

Any thoughts?

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Re: As a result of Jeremy's call to the police at 3:36am (3:26am)?
« Reply #83 on: March 24, 2011, 12:00:PM »
Not wishing to muddy the waters (but I am going to anyway  :P). Are we sure that PC West refers to contacting CW and not CN? Just if you look at his "W"s and "N"s in the rest of his log, I am not sure that it is a W.

Any thoughts?

It does look a bit like "CN" but Bonnett's log definitely says "CW".

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Re: As a result of Jeremy's call to the police at 3:36am (3:26am)?
« Reply #84 on: March 24, 2011, 12:03:PM »
It does look a bit like "CN" but Bonnett's log definitely says "CW".

Oh OK. Thanks for clarifying Kaldin.

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Re: As a result of Jeremy's call to the police at 3:36am (3:26am)?
« Reply #85 on: March 24, 2011, 12:38:PM »
Well, lets start by mentioning the only time recorded on the log:- (3:36am)

Now, according to PC west, himself, this time (3:36am) was / is inaccurate, yet West describes dispatching CA5 to the scene as a result of receiving Jeremy's call, and surprise, surprise, on Bonnets log (3:26am), he has CA5 being dispatched to the scene at 3:36am, the same time that PC West, dispatched CA5 to the scene?

If the control room clock was ten minutes fast, and PC West received the call from Jeremy at 3:26am, why is it detailed in Malcolm Bonnets phone log, that CA5 was dispatched to the scene at 3:36am, because PC west would have dispatched CA5 to the scene at 3:26am (if the story about the control room clock being ten minutes fast was correct and accurate)?

Why would PC West have CA5 going to the scene at 3:26am, if the clock in the control room was ten minutes fast, and Malcolm Bonnet, who's clock was supposedly accurate, still record for the fact that CA5 was not dispatched to the scene until 3:36am? Either, they both used the same clock as a time reference, or the excuse about the clock in the control room being ten minutes fast is a false one...

in my opinion...
Perhaps he ajusted the clock when he realised the time was wrong after calling the other officer or went by his watch but had already put the time down on the first log as 3-36, so other times are all correct. If they father had called, don't you think someone would have mentioned it to Bamber or others while standing outside the farm all morning?

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Re: As a result of Jeremy's call to the police at 3:36am (3:26am)?
« Reply #86 on: March 24, 2011, 12:41:PM »
Is there any actual evidence that PC West or anyone else said the clock was fast or is that just speculation again?

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Re: As a result of Jeremy's call to the police at 3:36am (3:26am)?
« Reply #87 on: March 24, 2011, 12:44:PM »
Is there any actual evidence that PC West or anyone else said the clock was fast or is that just speculation again?

No.

It was agreed in court in the 2002 appeal that a digital clock had been misread by West, not that it was fast.

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Re: As a result of Jeremy's call to the police at 3:36am (3:26am)?
« Reply #88 on: March 24, 2011, 12:46:PM »
Could CW refer to Witham police Station?

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Re: As a result of Jeremy's call to the police at 3:36am (3:26am)?
« Reply #89 on: March 24, 2011, 12:50:PM »
Could CW refer to Witham police Station?

I think it could. I must read the logs made by the person who took over from Malcolm Bonnet after he went off duty - they mention CW quite a lot. It's quite hard to read though so it might take some time.  ;D