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Offline mike tesko

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Re: As a result of Jeremy's call to the police at 3:36am (3:26am)?
« Reply #60 on: March 19, 2011, 12:01:AM »
So, we have reference to PC West referring to CA5 being deployed to the scene as a result of JB's call to the police timed at 3:36am, and we now have confirmation that CA7 was deployed to the scene by Malcolm Bonnet...
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Re: As a result of Jeremy's call to the police at 3:36am (3:26am)?
« Reply #61 on: March 19, 2011, 12:01:AM »


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Re: As a result of Jeremy's call to the police at 3:36am (3:26am)?
« Reply #62 on: March 19, 2011, 12:04:AM »
So, if PC West and Bonnet were in communication with each other, as we are expected to believe and accept, why are such fundamental admissions missing from each of the phone logs, timed at 3:36am, and 3:26am, respectively?
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Re: As a result of Jeremy's call to the police at 3:36am (3:26am)?
« Reply #63 on: March 19, 2011, 12:18:AM »
we now know that Malcolm Bonnet deployed CA7, and not CA5...
No, he states he deployed CA7, but he doesn't state he didn't also deploy CA5.

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Re: As a result of Jeremy's call to the police at 3:36am (3:26am)?
« Reply #64 on: March 19, 2011, 12:27:AM »
we now know that Malcolm Bonnet deployed CA7, and not CA5...
No, he states he deployed CA7, but he doesn't state he didn't also deploy CA5.
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PC West speaks about CA5 being deployed to the scene, and Malcolm Bonner speaks about CA7 being deployed to the scene...

Why the confusion about which Patrol car was deployed to the scene first?

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Re: As a result of Jeremy's call to the police at 3:36am (3:26am)?
« Reply #65 on: March 19, 2011, 06:35:AM »
Malcolm Bonnett (spelt with double t, not r) may have sent car CA5 to WHF while Pc West was talking to him, and then told Pc West that CA5 was on its way (and possibly also that it would take some time to arrive). Both logs mention CA5 second, so there's no confusion. I know it's been asked elsewhere, but do you know which officers went in CA5?

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Re: As a result of Jeremy's call to the police at 3:36am (3:26am)?
« Reply #66 on: March 19, 2011, 07:10:AM »
Malcolm Bonnett (spelt with double t, not r) may have sent car CA5 to WHF while Pc West was talking to him, and then told Pc West that CA5 was on its way (and possibly also that it would take some time to arrive). Both logs mention CA5 second, so there's no confusion. I know it's been asked elsewhere, but do you know which officers went in CA5?
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Please read the following (attachments) extracts taken from the witness statements of PS Bews, PC Myall and PS Saxby:-
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Re: As a result of Jeremy's call to the police at 3:36am (3:26am)?
« Reply #67 on: March 19, 2011, 07:24:AM »
I would like to know, who is telling the truth?
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Re: As a result of Jeremy's call to the police at 3:36am (3:26am)?
« Reply #68 on: March 19, 2011, 08:01:AM »
CD is Chelmsford since West was at CD and states the message received at CD
HQIR (happens to be IN Chelmsford, but it's another building entirely) this is why bonnet says "received a call from PC West at Chelmsford - meaning Chelmsford station)
CW is cooperating Witness - hence West logging 'CW Informed' mean Bamber is told about the car being despatched.

CW - Cooperating Witness - I suggested it a week ago on another thread, except I said it might be Jeremy.
I now think it may be Nevill, as it says 'CD contacting CW [Nevill ?] by landline' followed by 03.56 - GPO have checked phone line to farmhouse and confirm phone left off hook CM 860209
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CW - Co-operating witness / contact witness?

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Re: As a result of Jeremy's call to the police at 3:36am (3:26am)?
« Reply #69 on: March 19, 2011, 08:17:AM »
Could "CW" be "Contact Witham" (as in contact, Witham police station)?

CD - Chelmsford Division?

Informant - JB?
« Last Edit: March 19, 2011, 08:18:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: As a result of Jeremy's call to the police at 3:36am (3:26am)?
« Reply #70 on: March 19, 2011, 08:30:AM »
I would like to know, who is telling the truth?
Not all of them, that's for certain! I'm inclined to think Pc Saxby's statement is more accurate, as there was specific pressure on the other two to sign statements prepared with references to their sighting of a figure in the bedroom window omitted or grossly watered down. However, these statements were prepared long after the event, so I wouldn't place much trust in the fine details in any of them.

And how come Saxby received a message from Chelmsford over his personal radio, if he was actually at the station?
Perhaps the telephone at Witham wasn't being answered, or was answered by someone else who then contacted Pc Saxby by radio and relayed the request from Pc West.

CW - Cooperating Witness - I suggested it a week ago on another thread, except I said it might be Jeremy.
It might refer to Nevill, but I suspect that meaning of CW is based on usage in the USA.
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Re: As a result of Jeremy's call to the police at 3:36am (3:26am)?
« Reply #71 on: March 19, 2011, 08:38:AM »
I would like to know, who is telling the truth?
Not all of them, that's for certain! I'm inclined to think Pc Saxby's statement is more accurate, as there was specific pressure on the other two to sign statements prepared with references to their sighting of a figure in the bedroom window omitted or grossly watered down. However, these statements were prepared long after the event, so I wouldn't place much trust in the fine details in any of them.

And how come Saxby received a message from Chelmsford over his personal radio, if he was actually at the station?
Perhaps the telephone at Witham wasn't being answered, or was answered by someone else who then contacted Pc Saxby by radio and relayed the request from Pc West.

CW - Cooperating Witness - I suggested it a week ago on another thread, except I said it might be Jeremy.
It might refer to Nevill, but I suspect that meaning of CW is based on usage in the USA.
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Good points...
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Re: As a result of Jeremy's call to the police at 3:36am (3:26am)?
« Reply #72 on: March 19, 2011, 08:49:AM »
It's hard to imagine that Pc Saxby had time to finish his coffee, chat to Pc Myall and Ps Bews for a few minutes, then saunter out to the car park, finally driving off at 03.35.

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Re: As a result of Jeremy's call to the police at 3:36am (3:26am)?
« Reply #73 on: March 19, 2011, 07:49:PM »
CD = Chelmsford Division.    On his log,he stated contacting CW by landline. On some other document on this forum,someone describes contacting (was it DCI WRIGHT)? by landline. If Wright is a fairly top ranking officer,could it not be possible that CW is an abbreviation of "Chief "Wright? I know alot of police officers in the force refer to their superiors as "chief".
« Last Edit: March 19, 2011, 08:00:PM by chelmsey »

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Re: As a result of Jeremy's call to the police at 3:36am (3:26am)?
« Reply #74 on: March 19, 2011, 08:00:PM »
Just by checking on google for Police abbreviations i found that CD= Communications Department, nothing for CW though.