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Offline scipio_usmc

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In response to suggestions that I have no evidence to back up what I am saying, how about me having possession of 50,000 case documents under my direct control and in my possession, some of which are original material...

I have only looked at about 50% of it thus far, god knows what else I might stumble upon when I find time to get around to reading all of it...

In light of this, how can anyone say that I have no evidence to support what I am saying?

Seems to me that I have got more evidence than most at my disposal...

You have not posted any documents that support any of your claims and you yourself stated you were told about SJ/1 from someone else who alledge to you she saw documents.

Having original documents doens't make sense though because the government would not turn over originals. 
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Scipio I do agree with most of this. But there's always the doubt,especially with the photograph of Sheila with the wet blood,which was not disclosed to the Defence until 2002.

Which photo is this?  I have been shown several that claim to dispaly wet blood but the blood could in fact be dry and looked dry on those I saw.  I have not seen a thing to doubt the offiical story at all presented to date.
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Not only did Stan Jones deliberately return to the scene after attending Jeremys cottage to accompany DC Clark to take a witness statement from Jeremy, but he left Goldhanger in a hurry because he wss contacted at Jeremys cottage by way of mobile phone from "Taff" Jones, and requested to reattend the scene and take possession of various exhibits, one of which wsd a silencer...

Where is your evidence to support these claims?
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Offline mike tesko

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To begin with - DS 'Stanley Brian Jones was a criminal who falsified his pocketbook entries against force policy and the criminal justice system. IF YOU FALSIFY EVIDENCE OF THIS NATURE, nothing of evidential value can believed to be true by such a criminal...

DS Jones was a corrupted police officer, who falsified his pocketbook entries to prevent the truth coming out regarding the two key silencers he had involvement with (SBJ/1 and SJ/1) in the case brought against Jeremy Bamber...
« Last Edit: June 26, 2014, 12:54:AM by mike tesko »
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Offline mike tesko

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To begin with - DS 'Stanley Brian Jones was a criminal who falsified his pocketbook entries against force policy and the criminal justice system. IF YOU FALSIFY EVIDENCE OF THIS NATURE, nothing of evidential value can believed to be true by such a criminal...

DS Jones was a corrupted police officer, who falsified his pocketbook entries to prevent the truth coming out regarding the two key silencers he had involvement with (SBJ/1 and SJ/1) in the case brought against Jeremy Bamber...

Can anyone trust a copper who deliberately falsifies his pocketbook entries?
« Last Edit: June 26, 2014, 12:55:AM by mike tesko »
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Let's look at the 'EVIDENCE' confirming that DS Jones falsified his pocketbook entries, covering his direct involvement or otherwise, in the so called white house farm murder investigation...

Here, we see the front cover of DS Jones dodgy pocketbook entries, a pocketbook bearing the number 49, started on the 4th April 1985, oh no, forget that, it starts on the 5th November 1984, oops, wrong again, Jones started the first entries in this version of his pocketbook evidence on the 5th April 1985...

The last entries recorded in this handwritten pocketbook issued to DS Jones, was made on the 7th May 1986...
« Last Edit: June 26, 2014, 12:55:AM by mike tesko »
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This is evidence, (the dates of commencement of entries within DS Jones pocketbook which he referred to whilst testifying during the October 1986 trial of Jeremy Bamber and Sheila Caffell) that the jury never heard anything at all about. ..
« Last Edit: June 26, 2014, 12:56:AM by mike tesko »
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This dodgy pocketbook, was issued to DS Jones by a senior Essex police officer of no less a rank of POLICE INSPECTOR...

Suggestions:-

DI Ron Cook
PI Bob Miller
DCI Wright
DCS Ainsley
DI Soanes (Special Branch)
ACC Peter Simpson...
« Last Edit: June 26, 2014, 12:23:AM by mike tesko »
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Records are kept of every pocketbook issued to every police officer against the signatures of the senior issuing police officer and the police officer receiving the pocketbook...

in this case, the receiving 0fficer, being DS Stanley Brian Jones...

Same police officer who returned to the scene for a second occasion on 7th August 1985, after attending along with DC Clarke at Jeremys cottage in Goldhanger, to take a witness statement from Jeremy...

« Last Edit: June 26, 2014, 12:56:AM by mike tesko »
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Police officers, have to make daily entries into the pages of these official pocketbooks issued to them by senior officers...
« Last Edit: June 26, 2014, 12:57:AM by mike tesko »
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It is my case, that the pages of this particular pocketbook with three different start dates, were written up later and presented at court as though written up immediately or contemporaneously. The entries contained in this dodgy pocketbook cover the involvement of DS Jones in the Bamber / Caffell investigation, between 7th August 1985, and May 1986...
« Last Edit: June 26, 2014, 12:57:AM by mike tesko »
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It is my case, that the pages of this particular pocketbook with three different start dates, were written up later and presented at court as though written up immediately or contemporaneously. The entries contained in this dodgy pocketbook cover the involvement of DS Jones in the Bamber / Caffell investigation, between 7th August 1985, and May 1986...

These notes cannot be original contemporaneously recorded notes, but have to be treated as suspicious - where are his original notes, and what if anything different to what is recorded in this particular version, exists elsewhere, in another pocketbook used by DS Jones at all material times?
« Last Edit: June 26, 2014, 12:58:AM by mike tesko »
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What has been written out of these notes contained in this version of his pocketbook (49) are details relating to the seizure of a collection of four exhibits from the scene at whf on 7th August 1985, bearing the identifying marks of SBJ/1, SBJ/2, SBJ/3 and SBJ/4...

Why has DS Jones omitted these important details from within the re-written pages of pocketbook 49?
« Last Edit: June 26, 2014, 01:03:AM by mike tesko »
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In the context of this case, why on earth would DS Jones omit details of him taking exhibits at the scene of an official multiple murder suicide investigation, if one of these exhibits (SBJ/1) had been arguably the most striking piece of evidence being relied upon by the prosecution in prosecuting Bamber as the killer? Why would DS Jones not want anyone to know that he took possession of a silencer from the scene on 7th August 1985, if it was the very same silencer which relatives later found at the scene on the 10th August 1985?

Do you not agree that there is something significantly wrong here, and that this police officer has tried to conceal the fact that he found the first silencer, not the relatives?

Do you also not agree, that if DS Jones found a silencer first at the scene (7th August 1985), , which was somehow rediscovered by relatives three days later, that there would be nothing wrong with identifying the silencer in question by reference to DS Jones initials and a corresponding number of 1, and that there would be no need whatsoever to alter the exhibit reference to SJ/1, or DB/1 or even DRB/1, because DS Jones was the first witness to find it, if it were the same silencer as that found by the relatives three days later?
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It gets worse...

Whilst at the scene on that first morning, he took a photograph of the downstairs toilet, showing a presence of Anthony Pargeters .22 bolt action rifle with silencer attached to its barrel...

The odd thing, however, is that this photograph vanished off the face of the earth, and never formed part and parcel of the official photographic records compiled by PC David Bird (SOC)...

Why get rid of the photograph of the downstairs toilet showing the Pargeter silencer fitted to a rifles barrel?
« Last Edit: June 26, 2014, 01:03:AM by mike tesko »
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