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Offline scipio_usmc

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I have previously mentioned that four key exhibits which originally occupied exhibit References DRH/1, DRH/2, DRH/3 and DRH/4, were vacated and had their exhibit references changed so that police could add four additional bullet cases into the main bedroom scenario, which enabled the prosecution to argue in the presence of the jury that Ralph Bamber had been shot at least four times in the bedroom upstairs before going downstairs, and that he would not have been able to use the telephone to make the call to Jeremy that Jeremy says he received from him, because he had been shot in the mouth, etc...

That argument was a lie, since if police had not vacated the first four exhibit references of DRH/1, DRH/2, DRH/3 and DRH/4, by reallocating these four original items the alternative exhibit reference numbers of DRH/50, DRH/51, DRH/52 and DRH/53, they would not have been able to introduce the four additional bullet cases to enable them to make out such a case, regarding Ralphs injuries preventing him from making the call in question...

Your claims make no sense at all let alone have any evidentiary basis to support them.  If police wanted to relocate where the casings were found they could have easily done so simply by editing the locations on the various forms.  Your convoluted tale of changing exhibit numbers is absurd.   

Moreover, Ralph had bene shot 8 times in the kitchen then he would not have been invovled in the struggle that occurred he would not have been able to struggle he would have been busy bieng shot and killed.  Furthermore, the bullet that grazed Ralph ended up in the bed.  He clearly was shot upstairs.  That shot was to his left like all the shots fired upstairs.
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It is now possible to identify the date when these alterations came into force, and exactly when the police first decided to introduce four bullet cases to the main bedroom scenario so that they could say that 13 bullets had been fired in that bedroom, when all along there had only been 9 shots fired there...

These alteration Changes (DRH/1 to DRH/50, DRH/2 to DRH/51, DRH/3 to DRH/52 and DRH/4 to DRH/53) were ordered to be made, after the 11th November 1985...
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It is now possible to identify the date when these alterations came into force, and exactly when the police first decided to introduce four bullet cases to the main bedroom scenario so that they could say that 13 bullets had been fired in that bedroom, when all along there had only been 9 shots fired there...

Your allegations have no evidentiary basis and make no sense.

Furthermore there is a bullet that grazed Nevill as well as blood that he transferred to various locations on his way to the kitchen so he was definitely shot in the bedroom as well as the kitchen.

If the killer still had ammo in the gun after firing a single shot in the bedroom at him then how could Nevill have managed to exit the room and reach the kitchen in the first place?  The killer would have blocked his exit and continued shooting at him as he tried to get away.  Nevill was shot 4 times on his left side and they were profile shots which means his left shoulder was facing the killer.  What are the chances that his left shoulder was facing the killer in the bedroom for the graze shot and also in the kitchen and  that police we lucky enough to manage to realize they could blame 3 extra shots in the bedroom? Moroever if they were staging where they found the shell casings why would they admit 1 casing was found on the landing at the top of the stairs which is an indication it got accidentally moved there because there is no rational way it could have gotten there naturally during the course of the shooting?  If they were stagign them 4 would be in the kitchen and 4 in the bedroom.

     

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Offline mike tesko

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So, lets set the record straight, so we can show these scumbag police officers and their loyal supporters exactly what they got up to, in order to frame an innocent man for killing three generations of his own family, by introducing four additional bullets into the bedroom scenario, increasing the total of bullet cases found from 9 to 13, just so the prosecution could formulate the argument that Ralph Bamber could not have made any call by use of the downstairs telephone because he had been shot as many as four times in the bedroom beforehand, one of these four shots was a shot in the mouth, so he would hardly have been able to speak...

Well, this argument could not be presented until police messed around with the exhibits, and this did not take place until on or after 11th November 1985, because up until this point there had only been 9 bullet cases recovered from inside the same bedroom...
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I can now reveal exactly what items of evidential value, had the original exhibit references of DRH/1 (Letters), DRH/2 (paper), DRH/3 (two photographs), and DRH/4 (black trousers), which on or after the 11th November 1985, were reallocated the exhibit references of DRH/50, DRH/51, DRH/52 and DRH/52 respectively...
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Offline mike tesko

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Here are all the exhibits seized by DC Hammersley from the scene (WHF) after the alterations had been made on 11th November 1985:-
« Last Edit: July 02, 2014, 01:23:AM by mike tesko »
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These four items were originally exhibits DRH/1, DRH/2, DRH/3, DRH/4, all the way until on or after 11th November 1985...


FACT, FACT, FACT, FACT...
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I can now reveal exactly what items of evidential value, had the original exhibit references of DRH/1 (Letters), DRH/2 (paper), DRH/3 (two photographs), and DRH/4 (black trousers), which on or after the 11th November 1985, were reallocated the exhibit references of DRH/50, DRH/51, DRH/52 and DRH/52 respectively...

The testimony is that the collection of evidence started with the casings, to collect photos, torusers and letters before starting on the casings makes no sense at all. Worse yet, DRH/1 and DRH/2 are the shell casings that were by Sheila.  So you are claiming that 2 of the casings that they swapped in related to Sheila and 2 others to Nevill not 4 related to Nevill.

It is bad enough you never have any evidence to back up your claims but you make up things that make no sense at all.   
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These four items were originally exhibits DRH/1, DRH/2, DRH/3, DRH/4, all the way until on or after 11th November 1985...


FACT, FACT, FACT, FACT...

Where is your evidence?  If you want to convice anyone epsecially me you need to produce proof not just making claims. 
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Offline mike tesko

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So, now that we know there were only 9 bullet cases in the vicinity of the main bedroom, and lets say Ralph Bamber was shot at least once whilst present in that bedroom, this only leaves 8 bullet cases, and seven of these must relate to the shooting and disposal of Mrs June Bamber...

Leaves a single bullet case, to be accounted for in the bedroom, despite Sheila having been shot twice in the neck...
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Offline mike tesko

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If there is only a single bullet case to be accounted for in the main bedroom, and Sheila is shot twice in the neck, she could not have been shot twice in the neck whilst she was in the bedroom, she could only have been shot once in that bedroom...

So, under what circumstances could Sheila have only been shot once in the bedroom, yet she have two bullet wounds in her neck?
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The only reliable information that we have got to go on, are the contents of the police radio message logs passed from the scene to the control room and vice versa - one such message reads, "THE BODY OF ONE DEAD MALE, AND THE BODY OF ONE DEAD FEMALE, FOUND IN KITCHEN UPON ENTRY" (7.37am)...

So, this information provides an answer to the question, regarding how Sheila was shot twice, despite only one bullet case being available in the main bedroom to link one shot inflicted to her in that bedroom, the other shot had to be inflicted elsewhere at the scene...

She was shot once downstairs in the region of the kitchen...
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Now, how could Jeremy have been responsible for shooting his sister dead with two bullet wounds to her neck whilst she was in the main bedroom at the farm house, if she was only shot once there?
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If there is only a single bullet case to be accounted for in the main bedroom, and Sheila is shot twice in the neck, she could not have been shot twice in the neck whilst she was in the bedroom, she could only have been shot once in that bedroom...

So, under what circumstances could Sheila have only been shot once in the bedroom, yet she have two bullet wounds in her neck?

Davidson/Hammersley testimony-
They started out in the master bedroom by having Hammersley collect the bullets and bullet casings in the master bedroom and bringing them to Davison so he could record them on the CID6 and bag and tag them.  They started with the casings that were by Sheila and then went to the other side of the room. 

Documents- Initial entries are all for the bullet casings and bullets found int he bedroom starting with the casings near Sheila.  These were all sent to the lab together along with the other bullets and casings at the end of August 1985.

Mike's evidence to refute the above-
He has none just the unlikely claim that the first four things collected were meaningless things of no value and then all of a sudden they switched to collecting the shell casings and bullets and that the casings marked DRH 1-4 were found months later though 2 of these were found by Sheila.  By defintiion this suggests they also played aroudn with the descriptions of where they were found since he is claiming 1 was recovered by Sheila right away and designating it a number int he 50s makes no sense.

Sorry but your claims make no sense and have no evidentiary basis at all so I have no reason to doubt the official story which makes sense and has documentary corroboration. 

 
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Lets approach this little mystery from a different angle...

We have only 9 bullet cases present in the main bedroom right up until 11th November 1985, when the Operations Manager (OM), decides to vacate four exhibit references relating to four items of evidential value, namely by altering items DRH/1, DRH/2, DRH,3, and DRH/4, into DRH/50, DRH/51, DRH/52 and DRH/53, so that the Operations manager can introduce four additional bullet cases into slots left vacated by the switch aforementioned...

How was it possible for Ralph Bamber to have been shot four times whist he was present in the bedroom, if June Bamber had been shot seven times there, and there were only 9 bullet cases originally found in that vicinity?
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