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Re: Did Jeremy chase Neville or Neville chase Jeremy ?
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2014, 02:27:PM »
It is strange that some of Jeremys supporters say there was no kitchen fight. There is a lot of evidence showing there was. Perhaps because it is much less likely Sheila could have overpowered Neville. Injured or not.

Neville was shot upstairs at first. He either was chased downstairs or followed the killer himself.

Either way, once both people were in the kitchen, they were not going to have a cuppa.

It is not strange when you look at their motive.

What does the scuffle reveal?

1) That the suppressor was on the rifle because only with it attached would it be tall enough to break the ceiling lampshade as they fought over the weapon, have scratched the aga as they fought over the weapon and knocked over other trinkets.

2) That Sheila would have had medium velocity spatter on her body and clothing and would have broken at least one if not more nails and have had some sort of abrasions from handling the weapon in the manner claimed- it was grasped by the killer tightly and bashed into Nevill so hard that his watch broke off and the stock broke not to mention being knocked unconscious.

These are all demolish the pretense they would like of Jerey being the killer.  That is why so many fight it tooth and nail and deny the obvious.  It is out of necessity to try to pretend their position is tenable not because there is a lack of evidence that it happened. 
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Re: Did Jeremy chase Neville or Neville chase Jeremy ?
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2014, 02:47:PM »




Patti,,I remember reading it in Lomax's book ( which I've lent out,,or I'd tell you the page  :-[ )

Ah I have found my book so will have a look..... ;D ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2014, 02:54:PM »
Was it a scuffle or fight at the kitchen sink? Something happened there Adam didn't it. This is the place where NB lost his watch and the light shade above the kitchen sink was smashed. There is also multiple drops of blood on the floor. I say drops because this suggest that the bleeder was stood.

I doubt a big fight occurred there a scuffle maybe. The lack of blood in the kitchen/floor has always bothered me.    ;D ;D ;D ;D

There was not much blood leading to the kitchen.  He still got there wounded.  The notion he was bleeding like a siv and leaving large amounts of blood around is simply not true and based largely on fake things people see on TV.  People have unrealistic expectations about wounds. 

The evidence established they struggled over the wepaon, the killer got control of the weapon, bludgeoned Nevill's right side with it, he blocked with his right arm hence defensive wounds and the watch being torn off and eventually he was hit in his head repeatedly so hard that the stock broke and he passed out.  The killer then had time to load the gun shoot him in the head while he was slumped over and thus his head was easy to target and he was killed.

Beating his head to the point you break the rifle stock is not something minor. He also had black eyes and a broken nose so had been struck in the face at some point either by fists or the rifle.  Wielding  rifle like that will break nails is someone hads long nails, will cut a hand or leave blisters (especially when the stock broke) and will surely result in back spatter. 

This is a tremendous problem for those insisting Sheila did it which is why it is denied.  This is one of the reasons that Jeremy apologists have a bad reputation with the public at large.  When the obvious is denies it result in not beling trusted period and a lack of credibility. 

The claim police caused all the damage is not only not credible but was rejected after a thorough investigation which looked at how police admitted to the things that they did as far as damaging various doors and opening windows and that sort of thing. 

The notion Nevill simply walked in the kitchen, slumped over the chair and was shot then subsequently was bashed after he was dead is not credible to try to explain away why there would have been no back spatter is not credible.  He was killed in the very position he was found.  He could not have been bashed in that position. Who would bash a dead man at all but bother to bash his arms even?  He tried to protect himself that is how his arm was so damaged they were defensive wounds.

Passed out or not bashing his head would result in nails breaking and damage while wielding the rifle if one has long nails and is not using gloves. The intensity was sufficient to break the rifle and result in enough damage to his head to knock him out.  That is all that is needed to know as far as intensity of this struggle.

The things that supposedly bother you are curious. You expect there to be blood all over the room even though he didn't leave a large trail of blood to the kitchen from the bedroom just a little where he crashed into things like a wall and yet have no wonders about how Sheila could avoid breaking some nails and having back spatter from bludgeoning him with the rifle. 

Trying to downplay the intensity doesn't reduce the fact that these things would occur from him being bashed by the rifle to the point the watch was broken off, the stock broke and his head bashed in.

 
   

 
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« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2014, 03:13:PM »
Ah I have found my book so will have a look..... ;D ;D ;D ;D




Oh good,Patti. I think mine will be in Florida as we speak. ;D If I remember rightly,,it's not very far into the book. I could be wrong though. :-[

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Re: Did Jeremy chase Neville or Neville chase Jeremy ?
« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2014, 03:47:PM »



Oh good,Patti. I think mine will be in Florida as we speak. ;D If I remember rightly,,it's not very far into the book. I could be wrong though. :-[

Found it and now can't think where I put it. Its not on the book shelf or book cupboard. It drives me mad when I can't remember what I have done with things...Oh,but its normal lol  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Did Jeremy chase Neville or Neville chase Jeremy ?
« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2014, 04:05:PM »
Hello Patti

maybe the book is in your Library ;D ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2014, 04:19:PM »
Hello Patti

maybe the book is in your Library ;D ;D ;D ;D

hahaha Its like WHSmiths here lol  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2014, 08:44:PM »
You are right you can't debate.  Just making a statement that he wasn't there doesn't prove he wasn't or mean he wasn't.  The evidence says he was there and you have not dented any of that evidence.

You are like the 9/11 conspiracy theoriests who insist the evidence about how the Twin towers fell is a lie and that it was relaly bombs that took it down.  They are wrong that the mechanics cited would not take it down and have no evidence at all of any bombs having been used.  They repeat the same nonsense over an dover anyway though intentionally ignoring facts and reality.

The question is do yo ubelieve your own BS or do you know Jeremy is guilty deep down but simply refuse to face it or admit it.
Neither can you place him there, only in your wild scenarios. The real question is, Will scipio chase Adam?"

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Re: Did Jeremy chase Neville or Neville chase Jeremy ?
« Reply #23 on: June 05, 2014, 09:19:PM »
Neither can you place him there, only in your wild scenarios. The real question is, Will scipio chase Adam?"

What wild scenarios are required to place Jeremy there?

Jeremy should have been asleep but instead phoned Julie and Police to tell them that Sheila was going crazy with a gun.

Sheila can't have killed killed herself and then both put the suppressor away and moved her body flat.  Someone else killed Sheila and framed her for the murders.  The staging of the scene included things Jeremy admitted to doing like dumping the bullets out in th ekitchen where they were found.

It takes only using half your brain to figure out Jeremy is the one who framed Sheila.

I realize you don't like using your brain and want to pretend the things you say are palusible btu that doesn't make it so.






 
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« Reply #24 on: June 05, 2014, 10:06:PM »
There was not much blood leading to the kitchen.  He still got there wounded.  The notion he was bleeding like a siv and leaving large amounts of blood around is simply not true and based largely on fake things people see on TV.  People have unrealistic expectations about wounds. 

The evidence established they struggled over the wepaon, the killer got control of the weapon, bludgeoned Nevill's right side with it, he blocked with his right arm hence defensive wounds and the watch being torn off and eventually he was hit in his head repeatedly so hard that the stock broke and he passed out.  The killer then had time to load the gun shoot him in the head while he was slumped over and thus his head was easy to target and he was killed.

Beating his head to the point you break the rifle stock is not something minor. He also had black eyes and a broken nose so had been struck in the face at some point either by fists or the rifle.  Wielding  rifle like that will break nails is someone hads long nails, will cut a hand or leave blisters (especially when the stock broke) and will surely result in back spatter. 

This is a tremendous problem for those insisting Sheila did it which is why it is denied.  This is one of the reasons that Jeremy apologists have a bad reputation with the public at large.  When the obvious is denies it result in not beling trusted period and a lack of credibility. 

The claim police caused all the damage is not only not credible but was rejected after a thorough investigation which looked at how police admitted to the things that they did as far as damaging various doors and opening windows and that sort of thing. 

The notion Nevill simply walked in the kitchen, slumped over the chair and was shot then subsequently was bashed after he was dead is not credible to try to explain away why there would have been no back spatter is not credible.  He was killed in the very position he was found.  He could not have been bashed in that position. Who would bash a dead man at all but bother to bash his arms even?  He tried to protect himself that is how his arm was so damaged they were defensive wounds.

Passed out or not bashing his head would result in nails breaking and damage while wielding the rifle if one has long nails and is not using gloves. The intensity was sufficient to break the rifle and result in enough damage to his head to knock him out.  That is all that is needed to know as far as intensity of this struggle.

The things that supposedly bother you are curious. You expect there to be blood all over the room even though he didn't leave a large trail of blood to the kitchen from the bedroom just a little where he crashed into things like a wall and yet have no wonders about how Sheila could avoid breaking some nails and having back spatter from bludgeoning him with the rifle. 

Trying to downplay the intensity doesn't reduce the fact that these things would occur from him being bashed by the rifle to the point the watch was broken off, the stock broke and his head bashed in.

 
 
One big guess on your part I believe? But if there wasn't much blood all over the place then that will explain the lack on blood on Sheila's feet I suppose?

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« Reply #25 on: June 05, 2014, 10:12:PM »
 I'd like to have seen the soles of those socks properly too. I noticed that they were surreptitiously placed,,like the Bible,over an area where there was probably a bloodied footprint.
When the pics in the newspapers showed the blood under the soles of Sheilas' feet,,it looked as though it had seeped through some kind of footwear,,because if she'd been bare-footed,,there'd have been a marked difference. 

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« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2014, 10:59:AM »
What wild scenarios are required to place Jeremy there?

Jeremy should have been asleep but instead phoned Julie and Police to tell them that Sheila was going crazy with a gun.

Sheila can't have killed killed herself and then both put the suppressor away and moved her body flat.  Someone else killed Sheila and framed her for the murders.  The staging of the scene included things Jeremy admitted to doing like dumping the bullets out in th ekitchen where they were found.

It takes only using half your brain to figure out Jeremy is the one who framed Sheila.

I realize you don't like using your brain and want to pretend the things you say are palusible btu that doesn't make it so.
Well you're the expert on that one.

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« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2014, 04:06:PM »
One big guess on your part I believe? But if there wasn't much blood all over the place then that will explain the lack on blood on Sheila's feet I suppose?

There was not only a sufficient amount of blood on the floor, more significantly there would have been back spatter on the killer from delivering the beeting and it woudl be impossible for Sheila to hold a rifle so hard she bludgeons Nevill that severealy without breaking a nail since they were long.

This is a perfect example of you being biased instead of looking at the evidence objectively.

She also would have had elevated lead levels on her hands, gunshot residue on her hands and clothing, and high velocity back spatter from several of the victims.

More significantly though she was seated when she was shot- blood dripped down her arms and on her gown that would have been IMPOSSIBLE to drip in such manner if she had been lying down when shot.  This means she was not only seated but seated against something because otherwise her body would have fallen flat when the bullets hit and thus not bled on her arm and gown in such manner.  Her body was then moved to a flat position.  It was moved to the flat position shortly after being shot.  It was moved soon enough that instead of blood continuing to flow down her body and pooling on her gown,  instead it leaked down the side of her neck and pooled on the floor. That pooling reveals the final resting place of her body was indeed where police say they found her and in the condition they found her- lying flat.  Someone opened the bible and placed it in the pool of blood that formed after she died. The person repeatedly opened and closed said bible. The blood was dry by the time poice arrived someone else did it.

This proves Sheila can't have killed herself.  The suppressor evidence also proves Sheila can't have killed herself.  this proves someone framed Sheila.

This evidence and other evidence like the staging of 30 bullets in the kitchen and all Jeremy's claims including his lie about Nevill phoning to say SHeila had the gun and getting the gun to shoot rabbits and telling police Sheila fired all weapons in the house including the murder weapon all establish Jeremy is the one who framed Sheila.

Your claim there is no evidence against Jeremy is absurd.  You deny reality at every turn because you don't like the reality which is Jeremy is guilty.  You play ever game in the world ot pretend it isn't so but have not put forth anything to discount any of the evidence yo usimply make the irrational declaration there was no evidence.  Pretending the evidenc edoesn't exist doesn't refute the evidence and just makes you out to be dishonest.  It is the same thing those who insist the places can't have brought down the WOrld Trade Center do.  They insist bombs are the only thing that could bring them down without any evidence of bombs being used and ignore all the evidence that establishes the mechanics of how the WTC collapsed.

 

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Re: Did Jeremy chase Neville or Neville chase Jeremy ?
« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2014, 08:21:PM »
 Where is the evidence against Jeremy ? Particularly the forensic ?

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« Reply #29 on: June 07, 2014, 06:18:AM »
You are well aware there is a mountain of circumstantial evidence and curious co incidences against Jeremy. Judges words.

There is also a mountain of forensic evidence showing Sheila did not do it.

If Sheila did not do it....
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