Did Jeremy chase Neville or Neville chase Jeremy ?

[Adam]

It was common sense for Jeremy to enter the main bedroom fully loaded. The facts prove he did this. All eleven shots being fired.

After the eleven shots Neville then got downstairs where a ferorcious battle took place. But how & why did Neville get downstairs ?

Jeremy may have felt eleven bullets would be enough for June & Neville. Giving him time to get downstairs & reload. He thought they would be dead or immobilised. However Neville was badly injured but not dead. Perhaps he managed to get downstairs before Jeremy had reloaded, to try to prevent Jeremy returning upstairs with a loaded rifle.

Sadly Neville ended up with black eyes, a broken nose, a broken jaw, damaged teeth, burn marks & three more bullets.

The other suggestion is Jeremy chased Neville. But where was Neville going ? Where ever it was he would be caught. He certainly would not have time to phone the police. And wouldn't Neville fight for his & everyone else's life upstairs ? Rather than run away.

A bullet shell was found on the stairs. Which suggests  Neville was shot on the stairs. However Jeremys supporters have suggested the shell ended up there in error.

Do people believe Jeremy chased Neville or Neville chased Jeremy ?

[scipio_usmc]

As I stated in the past, this is one of those questions that will go unanswered unless Jeremy decides to stop with the lies and provide a complete run down of the murders.  That would entail him remembering what actually happened, it appear she has hidden such from his mind, having the desire to be honest, because in addition to being wrong by purging it from his memory he still could lie instead of being fully honest if he did confess, and thus revelaing everything.

I don't have any expectation for this to happen ever.

There is simply no way to know whether Nevill chased him and he fled to try to reload in peace or whether he chased Nevill to prvent Nevill from reaching a weapon, phone or even exiting the house to go look for help.

There is not enough evidence to demonstrate for sure which is the case and I choose not to speculate.  The question only matters to the curious human mind it has litle difference on the important facts of the case. 

In either case the result was the struggle over the weapon in the kitchen, Nevill being beated unconscious, the killer reloading and firing 4 rounds into his head killing him.



 

[lookout]

 Jeremy didn't chase anyone----------------because he wasn't there ! No debate !

 It probably took him all his time to scratch himself,f let alone do any chasing by the time he got home after supper that night with working 17 hours harvesting.

[scipio_usmc]

Jeremy didn't chase anyone----------------because he wasn't there ! No debate !

 It probably took him all his time to scratch himself,f let alone do any chasing by the time he got home after supper that night with working 17 hours harvesting.

You are right you can't debate.  Just making a statement that he wasn't there doesn't prove he wasn't or mean he wasn't.  The evidence says he was there and you have not dented any of that evidence.

You are like the 9/11 conspiracy theoriests who insist the evidence about how the Twin towers fell is a lie and that it was relaly bombs that took it down.  They are wrong that the mechanics cited would not take it down and have no evidence at all of any bombs having been used.  They repeat the same nonsense over an dover anyway though intentionally ignoring facts and reality.

The question is do yo ubelieve your own BS or do you know Jeremy is guilty deep down but simply refuse to face it or admit it.

[Adam]

Were any of Nevilles shots in the back ?  He would only turn his back on someone holding a rifle for one reason.

[scipio_usmc]

Were any of Nevilles shots in the back ?  He would only turn his back on someone holding a rifle for one reason.

No he was shot 4 times on the left side (profile shots) and the rest the top of his head and upper right side of his head.

There is nothing to estbalish he was shot as he was running away. 

There is nothing that offers a clue as to whether he chased his killer to the kitchen or his killer chased him.  There is simply no way to ever know short of the killer honestly revealing which is the case. 

[Alias]

Were any of Nevilles shots in the back ?  He would only turn his back on someone holding a rifle for one reason.

Go look at the diagram - I put it along with other pictures, in the archive section so that people easily can go look for themselves. Harters made a document and statement´s thread over there too. Feel free.

[Adam]

Thanks.

It was good that you suggested Neville could have followed Jeremy into the kitchen. I had never thought of that option before.

Having two possible options makes it even more plausible Jeremy was the killer & explains Neville being in the kitchen.
 

[scipio_usmc]

Thanks.

It was good that you suggested Neville could have followed Jeremy into the kitchen. I had never thought of that option before.

Having two possible options makes it even more plausible Jeremy was the killer & explains Neville being in the kitchen.

I don't see how 2 options makes it more likely.  The odds of him doing it don't change based on whether the killer ran from Nevill or Nevill ran from his killer. 

Nevill could have chased Sheila or Jeremy.  Jeremy or Sheila could have chased Neville.  Other evidence speaks to which one it was that he either chased or ran after.

[Adam]

It is strange that some of Jeremys supporters say there was no kitchen fight. There is a lot of evidence showing there was. Perhaps because it is much less likely Sheila could have overpowered Neville. Injured or not.

Neville was shot upstairs at first. He either was chased downstairs or followed the killer himself.

Either way, once both people were in the kitchen, they were not going to have a cuppa.

[Jane]

It is strange that some of Jeremys supporters say there was no kitchen fight. There is a lot of evidence showing there was. Perhaps because it is much less likely Sheila could have overpowered Neville. Injured or not.

Neville was shot upstairs at first. He either was chased downstairs or followed by the killer.

Either way once both people were in the kitchen, they were not going to have a cuppa.

I can't THINK why not. The pictures show a table immaculately laid for breakfast.

[Patti]

It is strange that some of Jeremys supporters say there was no kitchen fight. There is a lot of evidence showing there was. Perhaps because it is much less likely Sheila could have overpowered Neville. Injured or not.

Neville was shot upstairs at first. He either was chased downstairs or followed the killer himself.

Either way, once both people were in the kitchen, they were not going to have a cuppa.

Was it a scuffle or fight at the kitchen sink? Something happened there Adam didn't it. This is the place where NB lost his watch and the light shade above the kitchen sink was smashed. There is also multiple drops of blood on the floor. I say drops because this suggest that the bleeder was stood.

I doubt a big fight occurred there a scuffle maybe. The lack of blood in the kitchen/floor has always bothered me.   

[lookout]

Hi Patti,,there was ample blood by the chest of drawers in the kitchen,,but was obviously cleaned up.
Jeremy was told this by EP.

[Patti]

Hi Patti,,there was ample blood by the chest of drawers in the kitchen,,but was obviously cleaned up.
Jeremy was told this by EP.

Hi Lookout

I have never seen it nor have I seen any documents saying there was a pool of blood in near the drawers in the kitchen. I know you have read this in a book, but where that came from I have no idea. Can anyone else shed any light on this....

[lookout]

Hi Lookout

I have never seen it nor have I seen any documents saying there was a pool of blood in near the drawers in the kitchen. I know you have read this in a book, but where that came from I have no idea. Can anyone else shed any light on this....

Patti,,I remember reading it in Lomax's book ( which I've lent out,,or I'd tell you the page  )