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Re: Is Sheila guilty?
« Reply #60 on: May 29, 2014, 07:49:PM »
 Nobody cracked on though,nugs. Bit like the Bible.

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Re: Is Sheila guilty?
« Reply #61 on: May 29, 2014, 07:54:PM »
so shes dosent like guns but shes aperantly touched 3 of them.

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Re: Is Sheila guilty?
« Reply #62 on: May 29, 2014, 08:11:PM »
Scipio can you show me the document from the police logs / notes from the original incident where it says he told the police she had shot all the guns in the house.

If he had been planning this for months and it was a calculated frame of Sheila then if he had been clever he would have made damn sure there WAS evidence that she had used the guns - and yet he told the police in his statement he had NOT seen her use the guns - only that she may have gone out with his father.

If he had said that she had gone out with himself sometimes - who would have been able to disprove it ? No one .


And why did the statement of the relatives get changed when they said they had seen her with guns?

And why do you thing her fingerprints were on the shotgun in the house?

1) I have yet to see any reliable evidence her prints were found on any guns other than the murder weapon.

2) Various police statements note that he told them she fired all weapons in the house.  He changed his story after relatives denied such. The appeal decision didn't make up the claim police stated he told them such and it was a major factor of why they were scared to go in and called for an armed team.

3) Under questioning his family and others indicated Sheila had no interest in guns and had not fired them.  The police messed up in typing the statement which is why it was crossed out.  Her relatives stated she didn't go with them to shooting but eventually said she might have gone to Scotland on an occasion but no once could recall her going to the actual shooting events let alone firing a weapon there.

There is a big difference between saying, "Sheila may have come with us on a vacation to Scotland where we golfed but she didn't come golfing with us if she did come" and "Sheila came golfing with us on a vacation". 

She could have gone shooting and fired a shotgun anyway without learning how to load that weapon let alone would it mean she could load and operate any weapon in existence.  Semi-automaic weapons operate different from bolt-action, level action, pump action annd double barrel shotgins and from airguns.   

People who never used a Semi-auto before often do not relaize they need to chamber a round let alone how to do so.  Lynette Fromme never chambered a round before trying to shoot US President Gerald Ford so th egun di dnot go off.  Sometimes it is misreported that the gun misfired. 

At Fromme's trial for attempted murder her defense attorneys argued that she spent her life around people who used shotguns and therefore she would have known how to use the semi-auto (pistol) that she aimed at Ford.  They claimed she intentionally di dnot chmaber a round and just wanted to scare people.  Why would she have a loaded gun if that were the case?  She didn't need bullets at all in the gun. The defense failed and she was convicted.  He goes down in history as being saved by a woman not knowing she needed to chamber a round before firing. 

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Re: Is Sheila guilty?
« Reply #63 on: May 29, 2014, 08:15:PM »
so shes dosent like guns but shes aperantly touched 3 of them.




And used one at the shoot in Scotland,,which DB and PE finally spluttered out the truth.

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Re: Is Sheila guilty?
« Reply #64 on: May 29, 2014, 08:19:PM »



And used one at the shoot in Scotland,,which DB and PE finally spluttered out the truth.

They still deny she shot any guns in Scotland. The claim they admitted it comes from statement crossed out and ignoring everything actually written in their statements.

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Re: Is Sheila guilty?
« Reply #65 on: May 29, 2014, 08:22:PM »
Scipio can you show me the document from the police logs / notes from the original incident where it says he told the police she had shot all the guns in the house.

If he had been planning this for months and it was a calculated frame of Sheila then if he had been clever he would have made damn sure there WAS evidence that she had used the guns - and yet he told the police in his statement he had NOT seen her use the guns - only that she may have gone out with his father.

If he had said that she had gone out with himself sometimes - who would have been able to disprove it ? No one .


And why did the statement of the relatives get changed when they said they had seen her with guns?

And why do you thing her fingerprints were on the shotgun in the house?

Page 12 of Wilkes book. Jeremy told the police Sheila could use all the guns in WHF.
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: Is Sheila guilty?
« Reply #66 on: May 29, 2014, 08:23:PM »
They still deny she shot any guns in Scotland. The claim they admitted it comes from statement crossed out and ignoring everything actually written in their statements.




Yes,at first they denied it,,but had to come clean in the end when their " memories " were jogged somewhat.

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Re: Is Sheila guilty?
« Reply #67 on: May 29, 2014, 08:24:PM »
PE's a fine one to deny anything. His pedigree wasn't so hot.

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Re: Is Sheila guilty?
« Reply #68 on: May 29, 2014, 08:26:PM »
They still deny she shot any guns in Scotland. The claim they admitted it comes from statement crossed out and ignoring everything actually written in their statements.

they may deny it but the fingerprints prove them not to be telling the truth.

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Re: Is Sheila guilty?
« Reply #69 on: May 29, 2014, 08:27:PM »



Yes,at first they denied it,,but had to come clean in the end when their " memories " were jogged somewhat.

Jogged that she MIGHT have gone to Scotland once not that she went shooting with them.

They went to Scotland and stayed over so they coudl go shooting at an event.  None of them recall her at the events and don't know whether she ever went to Scotland or not. 
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Re: Is Sheila guilty?
« Reply #70 on: May 29, 2014, 08:30:PM »
they cant rember weathe she was therer i find that hard to belive.

surely thats somthingthey could give a definite answer to.
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Re: Is Sheila guilty?
« Reply #71 on: May 29, 2014, 08:38:PM »
they cant rember weathe she was therer i find that hard to belive.

surely thats somthingthey could give a definite answer to.




I'd have thought so too,,they were not that old at the time that their memories were going.
Selective,,it's called,,,as they seemed to have remembered a lot of other things !

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Re: Is Sheila guilty?
« Reply #72 on: May 29, 2014, 08:41:PM »
Whether Sheila went to a shooting party 10 or 15 years earlier is neither here or there.

She would not know how to re load.
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Re: Is Sheila guilty?
« Reply #73 on: May 29, 2014, 08:42:PM »




I'd have thought so too,,they were not that old at the time that their memories were going.
Selective,,it's called,,,as they seemed to have remembered a lot of other things !

i cant belive that shiela was that forgetable.

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Re: Is Sheila guilty?
« Reply #74 on: May 29, 2014, 08:43:PM »
 Of course she would. A kid of 10 could reload a rifle after only being shown once.Sheila wasn't that dumb.