Why does Jeremy protest his innocence ?

[Jan]

Why does Jeremy protest his innocence. Well without sounding naive I would say because he IS innocent, I have often thought to myself what I would do if locked up for a serious crime that I didn't commit. And quite hinestly if I was innocent I simply could not admit to that crime I did not commit no matter how much it may benefit me. I don't think I would have the strength to confess to such a lie. But then, that's me.

Me too.

But its not only that he has protested his innocence  , he has spent most of his time going through evidence to try and prove it. that probably has been quite futile because if there is evidence then I think it is in the original file held under the PII - or it can only come from a person willing to testify about what actually happened in the first few minutes of breaking in.


Another thing is if he was guilty why was he pleading with the police to get on with it and get into the house ? Because if he was as clever and planning as everybody makes out then the longer they took then the harder it would be to establish T.O.D .

Not that it was established any way - but it could have been for all he knew.

[lookout]

Why does Jeremy protest his innocence. Well without sounding naive I would say because he IS innocent, I have often thought to myself what I would do if locked up for a serious crime that I didn't commit. And quite hinestly if I was innocent I simply could not admit to that crime I did not commit no matter how much it may benefit me. I don't think I would have the strength to confess to such a lie. But then, that's me.

I would be exactly the same as Jeremy too. I could/would NEVER confess to doing something I didn't do. Simply because I'm that sort of a person. Quite immoveable.

[Adam]

Peter Sutcliffe apparently gets lots of mail & attention despite his terrible crimes.

So Jeremy may continue to get perverse attention if he admitted his crimes. However his loyal supporters would desert him & Jeremy would forever be branded a liar & murderer.

Jeremy also gets a lot of outside support in his campaign for freedom. As well as financial support. That would go if he admitted his guilt.

He is probably institutionalised now. He would only want to be released a rich man. Being free & poor on parole is not as attractive as staying inside.

[Adam]

Jeremys crime is beyond redemption.

He can never admit to something so horrific. Espescially after 29 years.

[lookout]

Jeremys crime is beyond redemption.

He can never admit to something so horrific. Espescially after 29 years.

What makes you SO sure that he did it ?

[nugnug]

i find in most cases though by no means all that people often protest there innocence becouse there innocent.

[Jan]

Jeremys crime is beyond redemption.

He can never admit to something so horrific. Espescially after 29 years.

He also would not admit to being guilty if he was innocent - so the thread is going no-where then is it?

It is slightly different though to be sitting quiet in jail and just getting on with it , than spending  a lot of your time going through documents .

If you were guilty you would be completely wasting your time.

[grahameb]

Jeremys crime is beyond redemption.

He can never admit to something so horrific. Espescially after 29 years.

If he is innocent then it is doubly horrific. But never judge anyone as beyond redemption. This could happen to anyone.

[scipio_usmc]

Me too.

But its not only that he has protested his innocence  , he has spent most of his time going through evidence to try and prove it. that probably has been quite futile because if there is evidence then I think it is in the original file held under the PII - or it can only come from a person willing to testify about what actually happened in the first few minutes of breaking in.


Another thing is if he was guilty why was he pleading with the police to get on with it and get into the house ? Because if he was as clever and planning as everybody makes out then the longer they took then the harder it would be to establish T.O.D .

Not that it was established any way - but it could have been for all he knew.

When did he plead with them?  Only after hours passed and he didn't plead hard for them to go inside?

If he actually cared he would have went there ASAP to at least spy inside if not go in himself.

Instead he calmly talked about cars and guy stuff including claiming he would be getting a Porsche thanks to the caravan site which itself shows he knew they were dead and what he intended to use the proceeds for because no way would his dad give him one.

Moreover, he took actions to make sure they were scared to go inside he lied about her firing all guns in the house to scare them.

"The appellant told the police that Sheila Caffell could use a gun. He said they had gone target shooting together and she had used all the guns in the house before. In the light of what they were told the uniformed officers requested armed assistance before any attempt to search the house was made. The appellant dictated a list of the firearms kept at the house. He told the police that he had loaded the .22 automatic rifle the previous night because he thought he had heard rabbits outside. He said he had left the gun on the kitchen table with a full magazine and a box of ammunition nearby. Those who saw the appellant at the scene at that time described him as remarkably calm. At some stage during their conversations that morning PC Myall and the appellant spoke about motor cars. The appellant said that the Osea Road Caravan Site company, "would be able to stand him a Porsche" car at some point during the year.

Armed officers from the Essex Police Tactical Firearms Unit arrived at the farm at about 5 a.m. There was further conversation with the appellant. At about 5.30 a.m. he said to PS Adams, "What if anything has happened in there, they are all the family I've got". He became visibly upset and asked to telephone his girlfriend, Julie Mugford, who was later driven to Essex from London."

He feigned being upset so he could call Julie, tell her not to go to work and instead tlak to police to help verify the story he made up.

[lookout]

Jeremy did plead with the police to let him go in and see his father,,as he wouldn't believe that he was dead. I've read this terribly sad part,and Jeremy had insisted that his father was still alive.

[wilf]

he's kept to the same story for 29 years as more details come out  his story remains the same  others dont.
an arrogant yuppie investigated by ammeturish police tried by biased judge defended by incompetent defence watched by greedy relatives.  justice at its best I dont think.

a retrial is the only fair solution not just to the defendant but to society as a whole JUSTICE must be seen to be done.

wilf

[lookout]

I can go along with that,Wilf.

I can't believe how two-faced the relatives were in stating that Sheila didn't know one end of a gun from the other,,yet it was DB himself who taught Sheila how to shoot when they were on a shooting holiday in Scotland. For Heavens sake,,you don't forget things like that-------------or do you,if it fits in with everyone else's ideas ?

[Jan]

When did he plead with them?  Only after hours passed and he didn't plead hard for them to go inside?

If he actually cared he would have went there ASAP to at least spy inside if not go in himself.

Instead he calmly talked about cars and guy stuff including claiming he would be getting a Porsche thanks to the caravan site which itself shows he knew they were dead and what he intended to use the proceeds for because no way would his dad give him one.

Moreover, he took actions to make sure they were scared to go inside he lied about her firing all guns in the house to scare them.

"The appellant told the police that Sheila Caffell could use a gun. He said they had gone target shooting together and she had used all the guns in the house before. In the light of what they were told the uniformed officers requested armed assistance before any attempt to search the house was made. The appellant dictated a list of the firearms kept at the house. He told the police that he had loaded the .22 automatic rifle the previous night because he thought he had heard rabbits outside. He said he had left the gun on the kitchen table with a full magazine and a box of ammunition nearby. Those who saw the appellant at the scene at that time described him as remarkably calm. At some stage during their conversations that morning PC Myall and the appellant spoke about motor cars. The appellant said that the Osea Road Caravan Site company, "would be able to stand him a Porsche" car at some point during the year.

Armed officers from the Essex Police Tactical Firearms Unit arrived at the farm at about 5 a.m. There was further conversation with the appellant. At about 5.30 a.m. he said to PS Adams, "What if anything has happened in there, they are all the family I've got". He became visibly upset and asked to telephone his girlfriend, Julie Mugford, who was later driven to Essex from London."

He feigned being upset so he could call Julie, tell her not to go to work and instead tlak to police to help verify the story he made up.

that sounds like it has come from a book. Have you actually read the OS by the police that were with him? - even the notebooks are on this site. The police stated they were trying to keep him calm by talking about other things. The porche was a "kit car" by the way not the real thing. And the police told him to wait until they got there.

As I said before I am only interested in first hand statements , not  flowery paragraphs from books. Show me the OWS from the officer that he told that she had used ALL the guns in the house and I might believe you.

[Jane]

When did he plead with them?  Only after hours passed and he didn't plead hard for them to go inside?

If he actually cared he would have went there ASAP to at least spy inside if not go in himself.

Instead he calmly talked about cars and guy stuff including claiming he would be getting a Porsche thanks to the caravan site which itself shows he knew they were dead and what he intended to use the proceeds for because no way would his dad give him one.

Moreover, he took actions to make sure they were scared to go inside he lied about her firing all guns in the house to scare them.

"The appellant told the police that Sheila Caffell could use a gun. He said they had gone target shooting together and she had used all the guns in the house before. In the light of what they were told the uniformed officers requested armed assistance before any attempt to search the house was made. The appellant dictated a list of the firearms kept at the house. He told the police that he had loaded the .22 automatic rifle the previous night because he thought he had heard rabbits outside. He said he had left the gun on the kitchen table with a full magazine and a box of ammunition nearby. Those who saw the appellant at the scene at that time described him as remarkably calm. At some stage during their conversations that morning PC Myall and the appellant spoke about motor cars. The appellant said that the Osea Road Caravan Site company, "would be able to stand him a Porsche" car at some point during the year.

Armed officers from the Essex Police Tactical Firearms Unit arrived at the farm at about 5 a.m. There was further conversation with the appellant. At about 5.30 a.m. he said to PS Adams, "What if anything has happened in there, they are all the family I've got". He became visibly upset and asked to telephone his girlfriend, Julie Mugford, who was later driven to Essex from London."

He feigned being upset so he could call Julie, tell her not to go to work and instead tlak to police to help verify the story he made up.

I'll say this for you, Scipio, you sound competent at reciting facts which if they come from a book, I assume must be correct. You also score points with your ability to make sweeping statements which are probably only factual within your mindset.

You say that if Jeremy had cared he'd have rushed to WHF.

You say he talked calmly about trivialities and bragged about spending money which "shows he knew they were dead"!!!!!

You say he took actions to make sure they were scared to go inside!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You say he feigned being upset so he could talk to Julie?

You have gone to great lengths to impress on us your legal qualifications. I hope they exceed your knowledge of human psychology. Since when did you reside inside Jeremy's head to be able to say with such conviction what he was feeling? The only frame of reference we have to how others feel is ourselves, beyond that, it's guess work. Much of what you have to say about Jeremy, IMO, probably reveals more of you that it does of him.

[guest154]

he's kept to the same story for 29 years as more details come out  his story remains the same  others dont.

Jeremy's story has changed with ever appeal. It's often said that his story remains the same, but it doesn't.
I even remember at one time he was trying to change the wording with the 'call' he had with his Dad that night.