Why does Jeremy protest his innocence ?

[lookout]

Everything that Jeremy said or did was twisted beyond recognition.

The bacon butty he had was turned into a large cooked breakfast.
The Porsche car he was going to buy,,was a kit car.
The cool,calm exterior that Jeremy portrayed while waiting outside WHF,,was that he hadn't a clue what had happened inside up to that time.
He showed no emotion at the funerals,because it wasn't seen that he was falling in a heap in a corner.
His arrogance when being questioned was all about him being innocent and trying to get one over on the police when they found out that he was. ( unofficially )
The figure that Jeremy,Myall and Bews saw at the window,,turned out to be " a trick of the light ".
Officers had refused to make statements of the sighting,so as a consequence it wasn't shown to the defence. Myall knew it to be a genuine sighting but wasn't called to give evidence.
If it is said that Sheila died after 6am,,and the others were already dead,,how come that Jeremy got the blame ? He'd been outside the farmhouse with the police for hours.

[Jane]

Jeremy's story has changed with ever appeal. It's often said that his story remains the same, but it doesn't.
I even remember at one time he was trying to change the wording with the 'call' he had with his Dad that night.

I can't recall the exact words told me over the phone the night my partner died. I'm not at all surprised Jeremy can't remember. I imagine that over the years MANY versions of the "exact" words have been put in print.

[Jan]

Jeremy's story has changed with ever appeal. It's often said that his story remains the same, but it doesn't.
I even remember at one time he was trying to change the wording with the 'call' he had with his Dad that night.

But if he had planned that call to be his alibi then surely that is the one thing he would have been constant in , after all it was his only "alibi".

I did see even in Sept that he queried whether his father said She or /Sheila. And I am sure if he knew that he would have been accused of the murders he might have done an "Anne Eaton" and written everything down  so that he did not forget.

But I think we do have to remember that if he is innocent the stories about him visiting the doctor and being on Valium were true and he may have been in delayed shock and also under pressure from the press , so it may be understandable if the "facts " become blurred.

People readily accept all the "changed" statements of the family . But when it comes to JB they are less forgiving .  But to be honest I cant see he has changed what he said to any great extent.

[scipio_usmc]

I can't recall the exact words told me over the phone the night my partner died. I'm not at all surprised Jeremy can't remember. I imagine that over the years MANY versions of the "exact" words have been put in print.

I think he is referring to when Jeremy changed to saying "she got the gun" and then when confronted about the change he told police he was not sure if Nevill said She or Sheila.  And there was also controversy about why he would say "the" gun when there were multiples in the house.

I don't know where Jeremy was trying to go with the She angle and don't particularly care.  There is so much else important that it doesn't matter.   

[nugnug]

But if he had planned that call to be his alibi then surely that is the one thing he would have been constant in , after all it was his only "alibi".

I did see even in Sept that he queried whether his father said She or /Sheila. And I am sure if he knew that he would have been accused of the murders he might have done an "Anne Eaton" and written everything down  so that he did not forget.

But I think we do have to remember that if he is innocent the stories about him visiting the doctor and being on Valium were true and he may have been in delayed shock and also under pressure from the press , so it may be understandable if the "facts " become blurred.

People readily accept all the "changed" statements of the family . But when it comes to JB they are less forgiving .  But to be honest I cant see he has changed what he said to any great extent.

and the family did change there statements a hell of a lot dident they.

[scipio_usmc]

Everything that Jeremy said or did was twisted beyond recognition.

The bacon butty he had was turned into a large cooked breakfast.

No clue who cares about this or why

The Porsche car he was going to buy,,was a kit car.

suggesting he was entitled to anything through the caravan site is suspicious and suggests he was aware he was becoming the co-owner through the deaths.

The cool,calm exterior that Jeremy portrayed while waiting outside WHF,,was that he hadn't a clue what had happened inside up to that time.

Which is why calling Julie at 3AM made no sense, calling at 6AM to tell her she would be a witness makes no sense and if he wasn't worried then it made no sense to at least go spy in the windows as opposed to waiting for police to be there just so they could see him arrive.

If he was so scared as to call police instead of investigating himself he should have been worried and concerned.

He showed no emotion at the funerals,because it wasn't seen that he was falling in a heap in a corner.

I don't personally care about this but it is brought up in many murders and is fair game.

His arrogance when being questioned was all about him being innocent and trying to get one over on the police when they found out that he was. ( unofficially )

His arrogance amounted to toying with police because he thought he was smarter than them and it was stupid to do.

The figure that Jeremy,Myall and Bews saw at the window,,turned out to be " a trick of the light ".
Officers had refused to make statements of the sighting,so as a consequence it wasn't shown to the defence. Myall knew it to be a genuine sighting but wasn't called to give evidence.
If it is said that Sheila died after 6am,,and the others were already dead,,how come that Jeremy got the blame ? He'd been outside the farmhouse with the police for hours.

Who says SHeila died at 6AM?  No prosecution witnesses claim that.  The prosecution asserted she died before police arrived. 

Your claim that the police really saw someone is not supported by any evidence.  The evidence establishes she was shot with the suppressor and her body wa smoved after and the suppressor put in the closet after.  Someone else shot her. moved her bod and put the suppresso rint he closed she can't have done so.

If she had shot herself without the suppressor then her blood would have been in the muzzle of the rifle and if it happened after police arrived then police would have heard the shots.

[lookout]

I said after 6am.

[scipio_usmc]

and the family did change there statements a hell of a lot dident they.

What did they change that was significant?

Any examples of major changes like wih Jeremy saying Sheila went shooting with him and fired all weapons in the house but in his written staement saying he never knew her to fire a weapon?

or going from claiming he had not fired the gun the week before the murders changing to he fired it multiple times the week prior.

These are complete 180s not supplemental.

[scipio_usmc]

I said after 6am.

and there is no evidence at all she died when police were there let alone after 6AM.  Police would have heard the shots and the ime of death was never suggested by the coroner as being after police arrived on scene.

[lookout]

The police were hiding elsewhere after they'd seen the figure at the window,,so it would have been impossible for them to have heard gunshots through 16 inch thick  walls of the farmhouse as well as being yards away from it.

[scipio_usmc]

The police were hiding elsewhere after they'd seen the figure at the window,,so it would have been impossible for them to have heard gunshots through 16 inch thick  walls of the farmhouse as well as being yards away from it.

I doubt the walls are 16 inches thick but windows are not for sure. The sound travels through windows.  Your claim they would not have heard is nonsense.

But then again she can't have shot herself anyway nor moved her own dead body.

[lookout]

The shots are only as loud as a Christmas cracker. If there was any noise,,like the dog in the barn barking,,you'd hear nothing else. It's not exactly an explosive shot.

[wilf]

Jeremy's story has changed with ever appeal. It's often said that his story remains the same, but it doesn't.
I even remember at one time he was trying to change the wording with the 'call' he had with his Dad that night.

ok basically his story is the same........"my Dad phoned me......"   then years later when the logs come to public attention his story looks as he said    why wasnt the log evidence produced to prove him a lier at the time  the arguement about time, clocks,who said what etc only started to try to uphold the prosecution. in my oppinion this looks like  covering your back. the more I look the more this seems like cover up covering cock up mixed with a dose of self interest

wilf

[scipio_usmc]

ok basically his story is the same........"my Dad phoned me......"   then years later when the logs come to public attention his story looks as he said    why wasnt the log evidence produced to prove him a lier at the time  the arguement about time, clocks,who said what etc only started to try to uphold the prosecution. in my oppinion this looks like  covering your back. the more I look the more this seems like cover up covering cock up mixed with a dose of self interest

wilf

How do the phone logs make it look like he said?  The phone logs comport with the prosecution account.  The phone logs don't help him in the least.  The only thing at all wrong with the log is that one cop wrote 3:36 instead of 3:26. 

[lookout]

I doubt the walls are 16 inches thick but windows are not for sure. The sound travels through windows.  Your claim they would not have heard is nonsense.

But then again she can't have shot herself anyway nor moved her own dead body.

I'm telling you that the police wouldn't have heard any shots from where they'd dossed down after seeing the figure in the window.