I add Jeremys Name to this list

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Slowly and methodically the Home Secretary read out the charge sheet. Hillsborough. Ian Tomlinson. Daniel Morgan. The first sacking of a chief constable for gross misconduct. Allegations surrounding ten other senior officers. Rigged crime statistics. Plebgate. Stop and search. The Herne review. Stephen Lawrence.

“If there is anybody in this hall who doubts that our model of policing is at risk?” she said coldly. "If there is anybody who underestimates the damage recent events and revelations have done to the relationship between the public and the police, if anybody here questions the need for the police to change, I am here to tell you that it’s time to face up to reality.”

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danhodges/100272710/theresa-mays-proven-she-has-the-guts-to-take-on-police-federation/


Do you think the Police Federation would use its no2 accounts to fund expolice officers and try to push back the Bamber expousure?

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Do you think the Police Federation would use its no2 accounts to fund expolice officers and try to push back the Bamber expousure?

There has been no Bamber exposure to push back. And there is no Bamber exposure to push back.

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I like the last line in the article
Our Home Secretary has guts. Which is just as well, because if she intends to take on the Police Federation, she’s going to need them.

Jeremys case would make her a unstoppable force for change the public will be outraged when the find out the truth.
Do you now understand what is happenining?
May has realized secrets can not be kept in the new world the Police Federation still lives in the past


http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,5180.0.html

[Jan]

Me too.

I thought it was a very brave thing to do . But it should not be necessary , because when it boils down to it we  the public all pay to be policed and they have rules to adhere to , but  some ( perhaps the minority ) are not doing that.

I think I would suggest she publicly states that there are some doubts about the JB case - so she is giving them one last chance to come clean - or else IF they are found to be responsible for an innocent man going to jail and they have not come forward  then the full force of the law will come down on them like a ton of bricks.

they might not just lose their pensions - they may end up in jail.

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Well,,Bambergate,,as from August,,the funding stops,,but the millions in reserve in unregulated accounts will apparently be used for new recruitments of officers,,,so it is said,,,though I'm sure that one or two " honest injuns " would snatch the hand off those offering to expose anything they know regarding the Bamber case.

However,,it's encouraging,,and it would be good to dream about what might be.

[Jan]

There has been no Bamber exposure to push back. And there is no Bamber exposure to push back.

Mat - is it true that EP destroyed evidence specifically against a court order?

If so why were they allowed to get way with that?

[guest154]

Mat - is it true that EP destroyed evidence specifically against a court order?

If so why were they allowed to get way with that?

Why are you asking a question everyone already knows the answer to?

Did Bambers team complain about this destruction of evidence?
What reply did they recieve?

[Jan]

Why are you asking a question everyone already knows the answer to?

Did Bambers team complain about this destruction of evidence?
What reply did they recieve?

Actually Mat I was genuinely asking because contrary to popular opinion I do not always blindly believe everything I read on this forum . Sometimes things turn out not to be true or the documentary evidence is not there

And I don't know the answer to your question .

I just don't understand what the point is of a court being able to make a specific order that can then be acted against without any redress?

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Actually Mat I was genuinely asking because contrary to popular opinion I do not always blindly believe everything I read on this forum . Sometimes things turn out not to be true or the documentary evidence is not there

And I don't know the answer to your question .

I just don't understand what the point is of a court being able to make a specific order that can then be acted against without any redress?

Bamber did complain to either the PCA or the IPCC back in the mid 90's. Essex police were reprimanded for destroying evidence, what that means I don't know but I doubt any heads rolled because it's my understanding that it was a mistake by Essex police and that the evidence had already been destroyed.

It's not like a court ruled the evidence shouldn't be destroyed on a Monday morning, and then on a Monday afternoon Essex police ran and destroyed evidence.

[Jan]

Bamber did complain to either the PCA or the IPCC back in the mid 90's. Essex police were reprimanded for destroying evidence, what that means I don't know but I doubt any heads rolled because it's my understanding that it was a mistake by Essex police and that the evidence had already been destroyed.

It's not like a court ruled the evidence shouldn't be destroyed on a Monday morning, and then on a Monday afternoon Essex police ran and destroyed evidence.

Ok  thanks - you see it is worth asking questions sometimes in order to get a full picture.

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And so Jeremy was imprisoned.  Was that a mistake too ? You bet it was.

[guest154]

And so Jeremy was imprisoned.  Was that a mistake too ? You bet it was.

No. This was 1996. Nothing to do with Jeremy being imprisoned.

[Jan]

No.

Can I ask you Mat, as you are so sure - is that because you have a connection with the case and you know it to be true - or it is what you just believe?

Or is that too personal?

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Sure about what, Jeremy's conviction or the destruction of evidence being a mistake?

I only thought Bamber would innocent, or at least I wasn't sure. For the first year or so I did lean more towards innocence.  But when you look past all the spin of the defence teams and the dreadful official website - you see there isn't much there, certianly nothing new in almost 3 decades.  I believe the JM evidence, I believe the silencer- and I don't believe that a phone call was made that night.

There is a lot of complex evidence in the case, but the simplest and most important is the phone call from Ralph. If that didn't happen - that one phone call - then nothing Bamber says can be true.

And I believe that the phonecall wasn't made. The testimony Scipio was talking about in another topic only strenghtened my opinion that the phone call wasn't made.

Let me ask you - what stands out for you as alarming proof Bamber is innocent?

[Jan]

Its only opinion because I don't have the experience of other posters on here and I only look at documents not books.

I find JM evidence not convincing - because of the N.O.W farce and the bank manager statement . She was capable of telling lies because her OS was so different . And I don't believe that any girl of her age would ID those twins with the police and not take the opportunity to shop JB then , especially as in her statement she said on the night she knew he had done it.

I don't find the motive convincing enough to carry out such a terrible crime .

I don't believe If he was so cunning and had planned for so long that he would tell Julie  / put the silencer back in the box for the police to find / appeared to be so arrogant afterwards

The police logs are so ambiguous in so many ways and on so many occasions I find it hard to know what to believe.

No-one has proved to me that NB could not have made the call before SC actually started shooting

No one has proved he could not be beaten after he had been shot.

A lot of the character assassination and accusations about what JB said are not actually backed up by the written statements that were written in the immediate days after the crime .

I think JB was arrogant because he knew he was innocent and he police were idiots.

He seemed pleased when the police said they could prove the times of the calls .

Why if he had planned he crime would he make up the call ? It does not make sense - it is way too complicated and I don't think he seems that intelligent.

The assumptions about how he would act at the funeral are a load of tosh as far as I am concerned - No one person is the same as how they act when in shock and grief.

I dint know how to say this without sounding callous - but the shots to the twins were so determined and in that way they do tie up with the evil thoughts SC had about them

I do believe the opinions on here about her illness and I don't think even now we have seen the full picture .

Colin Caffell originally thought she was capable.

I don't comment on the ballistics or forensics because I think the EP messed them all up so it is like a huge tangled web.

the evidence That DB reported the silencer on 10th Sept , not august.

The fresh blood from SC wounds.

The fact that EP will not release the paperwork from the original case.

Run out of breath now