Accomplice, who was he?

[Neil]

Wilf, that's the theory I go with. I don't think Sheila uttered a word during the whole thing and what ever world she inhabited, it wasn't this one, but I think she was resolute and focused entirely on her purpose.

I simply cannot begin to understand how you have arrived at this conclusion.

Even if one is satisfied that Shelia had a psychotic episode, what other evidence is there to support your scenario?

[wilf]

That doesn't work at all for me. I can't imagine Nevill calling Jeremy before alerting and protecting the other occupants of the house. Especially when Sheila is "crazy" (whatever that means).

You'd also need to try and factor in the bullet reloads, all whilst the twins are still asleep.

Ralph needed Jeremys help then realized he needed the police Shiela was proberbly looking at him at the time but not seeing her father. Ralph was aware of the state she was in and wasworried about making amy rash moves that might prove to trigger Shiela to react badly.
as for reloading where is the proof that all shots were continuous, might she not in the minutes or hours after she started  have gone back several times to add to the carnage?

as I say works for me   but I am always open to any better ideas

wilf

[Jane]

Ralph needed Jeremys help then realized he needed the police Shiela was proberbly looking at him at the time but not seeing her father. Ralph was aware of the state she was in and wasworried about making amy rash moves that might prove to trigger Shiela to react badly.
as for reloading where is the proof that all shots were continuous, might she not in the minutes or hours after she started  have gone back several times to add to the carnage?

as I say works for me   but I am always open to any better ideas

wilf

I'm happy to have my name added to that.

[No-Bits]

Personally I would enter the main bedroom first with a fully loaded rifle. Neville was potentionally the biggest threat. Neville was shot 4 times upstairs. June shot seven times, on two separate occasions. So it seems Jeremy entered the main bedroom fully loaded.

There is a chance Jeremy shot the twins. Then went downstairs to reload. That is risky. If Neville & June confront an out of bullets Jeremy upstairs, it could be curtains.

We know the twins were still asleep when they were murdered.
We know Nevill was shot in the bedroom and then in the kitchen.
We know that June was awake either before but certainly after the first shot at her.

My theory is that everyone in the house was asleep, JB entered the twins room with a fully loaded magazine in the rifle (with sound moderator on) and he also carried the box of ammo (or extra loose rounds) on his person. He quickly murdered the young children in cold blood. He then reloaded.
Next he entered the main bedroom, Nevill and June may now be awake thinking that they had heard a noise. JB shoots at Nevill and June, hitting them both a number of times. Nevill forces his way past JB on to the landing (where he leaves blood smears on the wall), down the stairs and in to the kitchen (leaving more blood smears outside the kitchen door. JB now without any ammo in the magazine chases after Nevill and attacks him in the kitchen, striking him with the rifle which causes wounds to Nevills arms and eventually knocks him out after being struck so hard with the butt of the rifle that the butt splinters and breaks. JB reloads and shoots Nevill four times in the head.
During this time Sheila has woken, entered her parents room, finding June slumped on the floor but still alive, she goes to check on the twins, June gets to her feet and staggers around the room and then heads towards the landing...........
JB makes his way back upstairs and meets June in the doorway, he shoots her and kills her.
Sheila appears back in the door way leading to the twins room, she is in shock. JB threatens and coerces her on to the ground and shoots her. He then thinks that he might be able to make it look like a suicide, he stages the scene. He realises that with the sound moderator attached, it might not be possible for her to have reached the trigger with her hands, he removes the moderator and repositions the rifle, but Sheila makes a noise, she's not dead, luckily there is one round left, he shoots her a second time which kills her instantly. He throws the bible on to the floor for effect, heads downstairs, hides the moderator in the gun cupboard, takes the phone in the kitchen off the hook and heads back to his house.
He cleans himself up, calls the police and Julie and the rest is history.

[Alias]

Ralph needed Jeremys help then realized he needed the police Shiela was proberbly looking at him at the time but not seeing her father. Ralph was aware of the state she was in and wasworried about making amy rash moves that might prove to trigger Shiela to react badly.
as for reloading where is the proof that all shots were continuous, might she not in the minutes or hours after she started  have gone back several times to add to the carnage?

as I say works for me   but I am always open to any better ideas

wilf

It could have happened this way.

[Neil]

When Ralph phoned Jeremy, did he think that;

a). Jeremy would help him over power Sheila?

b). Help placate Sheila?

c). Neither of the above?

Might Ralph have considered, that Sheila seeing Jeremy would have exacerbated the situation?

[lookout]

Ralph needed Jeremys help then realized he needed the police Shiela was proberbly looking at him at the time but not seeing her father. Ralph was aware of the state she was in and wasworried about making amy rash moves that might prove to trigger Shiela to react badly.
as for reloading where is the proof that all shots were continuous, might she not in the minutes or hours after she started  have gone back several times to add to the carnage?

as I say works for me   but I am always open to any better ideas

wilf

Wilf,,that works for me too. Sheila wasn't in sync with her faculties,,and those she was shooting weren't who she thought they were.The very disabling and debilitating illness had taken a stronghold of the poor woman,who wasn't in her right mind,,with " voices " telling her what to do,while in a fog of despair.

I've actually just been speaking to a police officer who knew about the case,,and the way the police handled it,but guess what ? He knew NOTHING about Sheila,,so yours truly put him in the picture.

[Jane]

Personally I would enter the main bedroom first with a fully loaded rifle. Neville was potentionally the biggest threat. Neville was shot 4 times upstairs. June shot seven times, on two separate occasions. So it seems Jeremy entered the main bedroom fully loaded.

There is a chance Jeremy shot the twins. Then went downstairs to reload. That is risky. If Neville & June wake up & confront an out of bullets Jeremy upstairs, it could be curtains.

If we start from the premise, that in the state I believe her to have been in, Sheila wouldn't have given a thought to which person would have posed the biggest threat, it takes on a different complexion.

[Adam]

We know the twins were still asleep when they were murdered.
We know Nevill was shot in the bedroom and then in the kitchen.
We know that June was awake either before but certainly after the first shot at her.

My theory is that everyone in the house was asleep, JB entered the twins room with a fully loaded magazine in the rifle (with sound moderator on) and he also carried the box of ammo (or extra loose rounds) on his person. He quickly murdered the young children in cold blood. He then reloaded.
Next he entered the main bedroom, Nevill and June may now be awake thinking that they had heard a noise. JB shoots at Nevill and June, hitting them both a number of times. Nevill forces his way past JB on to the landing (where he leaves blood smears on the wall), down the stairs and in to the kitchen (leaving more blood smears outside the kitchen door. JB now without any ammo in the magazine chases after Nevill and attacks him in the kitchen, striking him with the rifle which causes wounds to Nevills arms and eventually knocks him out after being struck so hard with the butt of the rifle that the butt splinters and breaks. JB reloads and shoots Nevill four times in the head.
During this time Sheila has woken, entered her parents room, finding June slumped on the floor but still alive, she goes to check on the twins, June gets to her feet and staggers around the room and then heads towards the landing...........
JB makes his way back upstairs and meets June in the doorway, he shoots her and kills her.
Sheila appears back in the door way leading to the twins room, she is in shock. JB threatens and coerces her on to the ground and shoots her. He then thinks that he might be able to make it look like a suicide, he stages the scene. He realises that with the sound moderator attached, it might not be possible for her to have reached the trigger with her hands, he removes the moderator and repositions the rifle, but Sheila makes a noise, she's not dead, luckily there is one round left, he shoots her a second time which kills her instantly. He throws the bible on to the floor for effect, heads downstairs, hides the moderator in the gun cupboard, takes the phone in the kitchen off the hook and heads back to his house.
He cleans himself up, calls the police and Julie and the rest is history.

It could have happened this way. I would still go straight to the main bedroom first. Once a 6.4 male  & a woman are out of the way, I can take my time reloading.

Ight be able to make it look like suicide'.  That was always Jeremys plan.

[lookout]

At what time do you suggest this took place,Adam ?

[lookout]

 What transport did Jeremy use from G/Hanger to WHF and back ?

[wilf]

It could have happened this way. I would still go straight to the main bedroom first. Once a 6.4 male  & a woman are out of the way, I can take my time reloading.

Ight be able to make it look like suicide'.  That was always Jeremys plan.

cant make this work for me. any mother finding her children dead in bed would move them, cuddle them, try to revive them. they were "as if sleeping" Jeremy would either have to shoot her where she was or possibly face her wrath and be faced with violence, either way I dont see how he could get one shot looking like suicide with her away from her children.

wilf

[Jane]

It could have happened this way. I would still go straight to the main bedroom first. Once a 6.4 male  & a woman are out of the way, I can take my time reloading.

Ight be able to make it look like suicide'.  That was always Jeremys plan.

Can tell you're not a parent. ANY parent hearing a disturbance will check on their children first.

[Jane]

I simply cannot begin to understand how you have arrived at this conclusion.

Even if one is satisfied that Shelia had a psychotic episode, what other evidence is there to support your scenario?

I don't do scenarios, Neil

[lookout]

Any mother would throw herself onto her children too,,to protect them and take a chance at getting shot themselves. I know I would.