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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #90 on: April 27, 2014, 09:54:PM »
Hi Steve, it is good to see you back but with respect, that post is not one of your best efforts ;D
How do you KNOW any of this?  I am pretty sure you do not.  There is absolutely no reported information which would lead anyone to believe Jeremy was a psychopath or suffered with Personality disorders.  All psychopaths are narcissistic although not all narcissists are psychopaths.  You cannot hide narcissism as it is just your personality, the way you operate although psychopaths can and do try to hide their true selves but Jeremy must be a super man to never let his guard down and show his true self. imo
But we had the Anders Behring Breivik case of a mass murderer of 77,who steeled himself using central nervous system stimulants just as Jeremy might well have done,yet they are both as sane as you or me once the effects of the drugs wear off.

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« Reply #91 on: April 27, 2014, 10:00:PM »
Oh,aye Steve,,now you're getting carried away. Jeremy wasn't into steroids or anything of that nature,,so no way can you compare him with Breivik. 

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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #92 on: April 27, 2014, 10:00:PM »
But we had the Anders Behring Breivik case of a mass murderer of 77,who steeled himself using central nervous system stimulants just as Jeremy might well have done,yet they are both as sane as you or me once the effects of the drugs wear off.
Depends what you mean by sane steve.  Psychopaths are 'sane' and so are those with a Personality Disorder, neither are mentally ill, psychopaths don't emote and to an extent neither do narcissists as it is all about themselves, they are very manipulative and self centred. 

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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #93 on: April 27, 2014, 10:04:PM »
Oh,aye Steve,,now you're getting carried away. Jeremy wasn't into steroids or anything of that nature,,so no way can you compare him with Breivik.
He was taking central nervous system cocktails lookout,pre and post-murders.

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« Reply #94 on: April 27, 2014, 10:05:PM »
What was Jeremy's relationship with women? Like many young men of his ilk he had to adapt to the needs of the modern woman in a way his natural father never had to. He would shy away from Sheila when she began what we might call politely her theology discussions,otherwise women it seemed fitted in with Jeremy's wishes. The one exception was June for a huge period of his life who held de facto control,but lost it along with Jeremy's respect after returning from hospital the second time. Is this why Jeremy allegedly claimed to "f*cking hate my parents" because they stood in the way of the lifestyle he wanted?


Steve, EVERY generation has to adapt in ways their parents didn't. I doubt VERY much that Jeremy ever became involved with ANYONE'S deep and meaningful discussions, let alone a sister he rarely saw and whose mental problems/theological passions seemed not to manifest themselves until after she'd married, although they may have been underlying.

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« Reply #95 on: April 27, 2014, 10:08:PM »
He was taking central nervous system cocktails lookout,pre and post-murders.





Steve, it sounds as if you're implying that he was dependent.

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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #96 on: April 27, 2014, 10:09:PM »
He was taking central nervous system cocktails lookout,pre and post-murders.




I think he'd been prescribed valium,,Steve. Nothing more fancy than that.

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« Reply #97 on: April 27, 2014, 10:17:PM »

Steve, EVERY generation has to adapt in ways their parents didn't. I doubt VERY much that Jeremy ever became involved with ANYONE'S deep and meaningful discussions, let alone a sister he rarely saw and whose mental problems/theological passions seemed not to manifest themselves until after she'd married, although they may have been underlying.
I had in mind the occasion when Jeremy twisted Julie's arm behind her back,wondering if this caused a flashback in her mind to her own predicament as she was growing up. Of course this has been dismissed as a pack of lies by some.

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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #98 on: April 27, 2014, 10:17:PM »



I think he'd been prescribed valium,,Steve. Nothing more fancy than that.
Washed down with alcohol.

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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #99 on: April 27, 2014, 10:19:PM »
He did that to avoid being slapped,Steve,,because believe it or not,,Julie was a bad-tempered madam.

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« Reply #100 on: April 27, 2014, 10:22:PM »
He did that to avoid being slapped,Steve,,because believe it or not,,Julie was a bad-tempered madam.
It's why I asked the question about Jeremy's relationship with women and I would appreciate the feminine perspective.

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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #101 on: April 27, 2014, 10:27:PM »
It's why I asked the question about Jeremy's relationship with women and I would appreciate the feminine perspective.

Jeremy seems to have been very generous to his girlfriends, giving gifts, taking out to dinner. He also seemed to go out of his way to help, for instance help Julie move her furniture after they broke up. Helping Sheila by driving her home from a party, then returning, which shows he wanted to stay at the party.
A generous type, perhaps even a gentleman at heart?

Are you throwing up now, Steve_uk?

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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #102 on: April 27, 2014, 10:28:PM »
It's why I asked the question about Jeremy's relationship with women and I would appreciate the feminine perspective.




Jeremy didn't have any problems with the older,mature women at all. He was probably brassed-off with the controlling and unpredictable nature of Julie.
It certainly didn't take her long to get over Jeremy when she'd sat for her posing pictures-------knickerless.

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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #103 on: April 27, 2014, 10:29:PM »
I had in mind the occasion when Jeremy twisted Julie's arm behind her back,wondering if this caused a flashback in her mind to her own predicament as she was growing up. Of course this has been dismissed as a pack of lies by some.


Jeremy's behaviour did nothing to recommend him. If Julie is to be believed, she experienced many "predicaments" which would label her as a victim. £25000 doesn't stop this happening and it doesn't go away by magic. Maybe this is why there are doubts about her truthfulness.

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Re: The Noble Cause Framing Theory
« Reply #104 on: April 27, 2014, 10:31:PM »
I created a thread on whether the 19 day trial was fair. No one came up with any decent reasons why it was not.

When Liz Rimmington rang Stan Jones, with Julie present. Neither of them were thinking about 25k. They just wanted to tell the truth. About the caravan break in & murder. Jeremys lawyers have never been able to prove that Julies NOTW deal negates her testimony. But god knows they have tried.

Jeremys own Youtube video said his relatives were rich in their own right & had no reason to lie. They were not criminals so would not decide in unison 4 days after the murder to commit such a major crime. They found the silencer and handed it in. Simple.  They would have had to know Sheila's blood group and to effectivly put that blood into the silencer. Creating the back  splatter effect. The silencer evidence has been accepted at trial & at appeals. It makes sense for Jeremy to use the silencer. If he did not, why was there no blood inside the rifle ? All the shots were either contact or close range according to the pathologist.

So in other words the trial was fair. Jeremy had the best lawyers. They had several months to prepare. And had the best witness - Jeremy.
You mean decent reasons that you yourself agreed with. My three reasons are logical and fair reasons why that was NOT a fair trial and if he was tried agaid with the full knowledge of these reasons you can be fairly confidend that he would have been aquitted.