Shooter would have run out of bullets before finishing of both parents, clue...

[Alias]

She was 5'6"-5'7" and he was 6'4", from the model perspective not tall I guess short women would consider her tall. 

In an event unless she was standing on something or he was seated some of the wounds with the down trajectory that he received in the bedroom do not make sense.

How does a woman that tall shoot him in the face or the shoulder at a downward trajectory with a rifle if he is standing fully upright?  The only way would be if she were standing on something.

Or he sitting down. We don´t know how events unfolded that night.

[scipio_usmc]

Or he sitting down. We don´t know how events unfolded that night.

Well I already noted previously I don't think he was standing.  I think he was getting off the bed.  But this point here relates specifically to the claim he was standing upright which some want to content.  The point is that if he was upright then she had to be standing on something to shoot him.  I don't think that is likely which is why I suggest it would be more likely he was sitting. Jeremy was not as taller than Nevill either so regardless of who shot him it is more likely Nevill was not standing when hit in the bedroom by at least 2 of the shots.  That is why it looks like he was getting out of bed when the shot were fired.

This is why I say it seems the killer went in the master bedroom and opened fire as they were in bed.  He was getting up and shot.  Then when the killer runs out of bullets either he somehow gets past the killer out of the room or he runs after the pursuer and catches the killer in the kitchen and then they have a struggle.


   

[Alias]

Well I already noted previously I don't think he was standing.  I think he was getting off the bed.  But this point here relates specifically to the claim he was standing upright which some want to content.  The point is that if he was upright then she had to be standing on something to shoot him.  I don't think that is likely which is why I suggest it would be more likely he was sitting. Jeremy was not as taller than Nevill either so regardless of who shot him it is more likely Nevill was not standing when hit in the bedroom by at least 2 of the shots.  That is why it looks like he was getting out of bed when the shot were fired.

This is why I say it seems the killer went in the master bedroom and opened fire as they were in bed.  He was getting up and shot.  Then when the killer runs out of bullets either he somehow gets past the killer out of the room or he runs after the pursuer and catches the killer in the kitchen and then they have a struggle.


 

This sounds plausible.

[Jane]

Well I already noted previously I don't think he was standing.  I think he was getting off the bed.  But this point here relates specifically to the claim he was standing upright which some want to content.  The point is that if he was upright then she had to be standing on something to shoot him.  I don't think that is likely which is why I suggest it would be more likely he was sitting. Jeremy was not as taller than Nevill either so regardless of who shot him it is more likely Nevill was not standing when hit in the bedroom by at least 2 of the shots.  That is why it looks like he was getting out of bed when the shot were fired.

This is why I say it seems the killer went in the master bedroom and opened fire as they were in bed.  He was getting up and shot.  Then when the killer runs out of bullets either he somehow gets past the killer out of the room or he runs after the pursuer and catches the killer in the kitchen and then they have a struggle.


 

How much of a struggle would he have been able to put up having taken 4 bullets, one to his shoulder which would have rendered his arm useless and compromised his balance?

[scipio_usmc]

How much of a struggle would he have been able to put up having taken 4 bullets, one to his shoulder which would have rendered his arm useless and compromised his balance?

I know soemoen who was shot in the hsoulder and still stayed in combat for a while before being treated.  There are a wide variety of factors to take into account from adrenaline to the precise damage the bullet did.  Some shots might disable and arm others will not depending on what the bullet manages to sever.  Adrenaline and sheer necessity often resul tin peopel doing things we don't expect them to be able to do.

The breaking of the ceiling lampshade, things knocked over and the scratches on the mantle suggest there was a struggle over the weapon it was not simply in control of the killer.  His wounds can help explain why he lost that struggle but he clearly was not immobilized or he would not have been able to even try to take the gun away let alone have the wrstiling match that seems to have occured. For that matter he would not have even been likely to make it downstairs if he was too bad off.

I seriously wonder if Nevill chased the killer into the kitchen after the killer ran out of ammo.  I don't understand why a fight did not ensure for control of the weapon in the bedroom when the bullets ran out.  The killer was near the door. You would expect the killer to try to prevent Nevill from leaving or Nevill to jump the killer before reloading could occur.   Letting Nevill leave then chasing him seems not to make much sense. This is one of those questions we will never find the answer to.

[grahameb]

Well I already noted previously I don't think he was standing.  I think he was getting off the bed.  But this point here relates specifically to the claim he was standing upright which some want to content.  The point is that if he was upright then she had to be standing on something to shoot him.  I don't think that is likely which is why I suggest it would be more likely he was sitting. Jeremy was not as taller than Nevill either so regardless of who shot him it is more likely Nevill was not standing when hit in the bedroom by at least 2 of the shots.  That is why it looks like he was getting out of bed when the shot were fired.

This is why I say it seems the killer went in the master bedroom and opened fire as they were in bed.  He was getting up and shot.  Then when the killer runs out of bullets either he somehow gets past the killer out of the room or he runs after the pursuer and catches the killer in the kitchen and then they have a struggle.


 

He was not shot whilst on the bed. He was shot in the back of the arm. Which suggests that he was running downstairs. He was definitely not beaten whilst upstairs. His wound would suggest that he was indeed sitting down in his chair. The piece of wood that broke off the rifle butt was also found downstairs, suggesting that he was beaten with it? I don't think he was running after. But rather running from the killer. The shot in the back of the arm suggests that.

[Alias]

He was not shot whilst on the bed. He was shot in the back of the arm. Which suggests that he was running downstairs. He was definitely not beaten whilst upstairs. His wound would suggest that he was indeed sitting down in his chair. The piece of wood that broke off the rifle butt was also found downstairs, suggesting that he was beaten with it? I don't think he was running after. But rather running from the killer. The shot in the back of the arm suggests that.

I also find it unlikely - or should I say, "virtually certain" that Nevill was not shot while still in bed. The trajectory, as you say, does not indicate that; besides, there is no blood evidence to suggest it on the bed.

[lookout]

 JM should have been challenged as to why she allowed the murders to be carried out,,knowing that it was going to happen. She's literally got away with murder ! It's the way I see it anyway.

How many honest people could keep that knowledge to themselves ? You'd be sick at the thought.

If Jeremy carried out the murders,,then she's no better for having known. If I'd been a juror,I'd have stuck my neck out on that one. I'd have made sure she went down to the cells with him,,to prove whether she was lying or not.

How does one receive immunity under these circumstances ? Plus a safe house ?

[scipio_usmc]

He was not shot whilst on the bed. He was shot in the back of the arm. Which suggests that he was running downstairs. He was definitely not beaten whilst upstairs. His wound would suggest that he was indeed sitting down in his chair. The piece of wood that broke off the rifle butt was also found downstairs, suggesting that he was beaten with it? I don't think he was running after. But rather running from the killer. The shot in the back of the arm suggests that.

None of his shots were in back.  They were all side profile shots. They all were shots to his left side and they were profile shots not shots fired at his front or back.  His left side was facing the killer. 


1) The bullet that his his shoulder hit the "outer aspect". The outer aspect means the side not the front or back.  It entered into the side of his shoulder and traveled down to his Humerus fracturing it.
 
2)The left part of his lip was shot off.

3) The bullet that grazed his elbow hit his side and entered his torso from such side. It would not have entered his body if it had been fired from the front or back it would have grazed his elbow and traveled into the wall that was either in front of him or behind him.

4) The bullet that entered his left jaw traveled down to his throat region. 
 

[scipio_usmc]

I also find it unlikely - or should I say, "virtually certain" that Nevill was not shot while still in bed. The trajectory, as you say, does not indicate that; besides, there is no blood evidence to suggest it on the bed.

Two of the bullets the trajectories were going down and hit Nevill high up which means the killer was aiming the rifle down.  Neither of the alleged killers were as tall let alone taller than him so the only way to account for the trajectories is if they were standing on something or he was not standing.

All 4 shots fired in the bedroom were to his the left profile.  They were not to his back all were to his left profile.  The killer was towards the door and his left side was facing the killer.  He was not standing upright for at least 2 of the shots so he either was sitting on the bed or floor but not enough for the bed to block the shots at his shoulder and into his side.

[Alias]

Two of the bullets the trajectories were going down and hit Nevill high up which means the killer was aiming the rifle down.  Neither of the alleged killers were as tall let alone taller than him so the only way to account for the trajectories is if they were standing on something or he was not standing.

All 4 shots fired in the bedroom were to his the left profile.  They were not to his back all were to his left profile.  The killer was towards the door and his left side was facing the killer.  He was not standing upright for at least 2 of the shots so he either was sitting on the bed or floor but not enough for the bed to block the shots at his shoulder and into his side.

There was no blood at his side of the bed - isn´t that a little odd?
Further, I cannot quite make your scenario fit with the diagram. The two shots to his left mouth area, OK. PERHAPS the one to his lower left arm, which exited (where did that bullet end up?) ; but not the shot to his left shoulder. How would the shooter have stood near the door achieving that?? It is clearly fired with the rifle pointing downwards in a steep angle.

[scipio_usmc]

There was no blood at his side of the bed - isn´t that a little odd?

There could have been fine spatter that was not described by anyone, they could have missed it or not have seen mentioning it as relvant.  There might not have been any spatter based on the exact location of the wounds.  As far as dripping blood, it would depend how fast he got up whether he would drip blood.  He could have been sitting up in bed, sitting on the floor or in the process of getting up from the floor or bed.  Sitting up I suppose is the first step to getting up.   

We know he had his left side to the killer and was on the other side of the room based on the distance of some of the shots. (not standing on June's side of the bed with the killer right on top of him)  We know he wasn't standing for at least some of them.  That's as best as it can tell us.  For all we know he fell out of bed when the shooting started because it scared him so much and then was on the floor and getting up as he was shot.  We can think up a lot of different reasons to try to account for it but who knows for sure why.  We just know in general he was on his side of the bed/room not June,s with his left side facing the doorway and not standing during at least 2 shots.  The evidence is not more specific than this. 

Further, I cannot quite make your scenario fit with the diagram. The two shots to his left mouth area, OK. PERHAPS the one to his lower left arm, which exited (where did that bullet end up?) ; but not the shot to his left shoulder. How would the shooter have stood near the door achieving that?? It is clearly fired with the rifle pointing downwards in a steep angle.

The diagram is not that good, he draws as poorly as I do. Some of the positions shown are misleading. The bullet in the lower arm was supposed to reflect a graze wound to his elbow!  Yeah I know not even close.  It grazed off his left elbow and went into his left torso lodging in his torso.  That is the bulet that he saw in the xray but was unable to find when he was probing around.  He gave up rather than rip his guts apart.  So basically he had his arm at his side the bullet grazed his elbow before going into his side. This shot was relatively lateral.

The shoulder wound and the jaw shot were both angled down and high enough on his body that neither alleged shooter would have been able to cause such injury without standing on somethign so he was most likely not standing when these shots were fired. 

Because all of these were on his left side it means his left side was facing the killer who was towards the door so his left side was basically towards the door.

The bullet that went through the elbow shattered the Humerus and was found in the fracture.   

[Alias]

The shoulder wound is almost vertical - I still find that hard to fit, no matter what. I think he was on the stairs, and the shooter behind/above him.

[scipio_usmc]

The shoulder wound is almost vertical - I still find that hard to fit, no matter what. I think he was on the stairs, and the shooter behind/above him.

The drawing makes it look steeper the same way it distorts the elbow shot.  It was not the top of the elbow that had the entrance would it was the side of the shoulder.  Going down the stairs the side of the shoulder would not be able to be targeted. Only the top could be or the back of the shoulder.  The left shoulder had to be facing the shooter and the shooter had to be at a higher positon than the victim.  The same is true for the jaw shot. He probably was seeted during both.

All 4 of these initial shots were with Nevill's left side facing the shooter. 

In contrast the killer was to the right of him when shooting him in the kitchen.

Shot 8 was the shot that grazed the elbow.  It is up too high in the drawing because the elbow is lower.  I don't know why he wrote exit next to it, it never entered or exited the elbow, it grazed it.  Underneath the exit sign is where the bullet entered his left torso.  It went into his abdoment but he was unable to dig it out. 

[Alias]

The drawing makes it look steeper the same way it distorts the elbow shot.  It was not the top of the elbow that had the entrance would it was the side of the shoulder.  Going down the stairs the side of the shoulder would not be able to be targeted. Only the top could be or the back of the shoulder.  The left shoulder had to be facing the shooter and the shooter had to be at a higher positon than the victim.  The same is true for the jaw shot. He probably was seeted during both.

All 4 of these initial shots were with Nevill's left side facing the shooter. 

In contrast the killer was to the right of him when shooting him in the kitchen.

Shot 8 was the shot that grazed the elbow.  It is up too high in the drawing because the elbow is lower.  I don't know why he wrote exit next to it, it never entered or exited the elbow, it grazed it.  Underneath the exit sign is where the bullet entered his left torso.  It went into his abdoment but he was unable to dig it out.

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Nothing to do with the above question: I notice you have to bend and twist a little to make things fit with what you want. I admit that much of the material we have to work with is so imprecise that it leaves it open for interpretation; in many cases it can be coded several ways.
I don´t think anyone should make statements about ambiguous material as if it were the truth and nothing but. None of us can.