Jeremys second phone call to Julie:

[Alias]

A side note about the Q B fraud. It was Julie´s idea, she says so herself. She had to talk a reluctant Susan into it, she says so herself.
Why didn´t she use her own Q B for the fraud, since this was HER idea, and why did she wipe it off on Jeremy that she did it in the first place, he had nothing to do with it whatsoever?
Manipulative much?

[Adam]

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=284.0

You must have missed my post on page 25. Oh sorry I forgot you have me ignore. So will post incorrect information.

[grahameb]

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=284.0

You must have missed my post on page 25. Oh sorry I forgot you have me ignore. So will post incorrect information.

Why must you always link to that dusgusting pooy place?

[Adam]

I am just putting up official documents.

[Jan]

It really all does not make any sense . According to JM he went to all that thought about why he could not burn the house down, threw in the red herring about a contract killing and yet it appears from the trial he then made the basic mistake of leaving a bloodied silencer in the house .

She certainly constructed the crime well - mentioning all the possible questions that might crop up

It also neatly covers that it could be a contract - OR JB by mentioning the bike / etc.

The last paragraph about the fingerprints on the gun are weird - its implicating that Sheila was killed before NB as the glove coming off in the fight might wipe off her prints and someone elses prints? Who might they be.

I find it all very very strange. If in the long run it is proved JB is innocent then JM has an awful lot to answer for .

And as for Adams comments about her not being dumped? Its quite clear from her statements she thought that she was .

Also she does not mention having to ID the bodies and how she felt about that. She also repeats several times that she "Knew" he was guilty - it was only because she loved him and felt sorry for him that she kept quiet - weird .

I can genuinely say if JB is guilty I don't get her - I think it is wicked to go and see those poor children knowing what he had done - and if he is innocent I don't get her either , because this is a wicked web to have spun.

[grahameb]

I am just putting up official documents.

Just save them and post them on here. I'd rather not soil my shoes in that unholy place. I'll burn them it's hot as hell over there.

[maggie]

Are we sure that Julie said, "if I can't have you, no one can"?

Where does this bit of 'evidence' come from?

Hi Neil, in her statement of 8th September 1985 Julie Mugford actually said 'at one point I got a pillow and put it over his head' .....  'he asked me why I did it and I said if he were dead he would always be with me.  I had his  car keys so he couldn't go.' 

Jeremy Bamber has always claimed she also said 'If I can't  have you nobody will'  So it may be that Jeremy Bamber may have misquoted deliberately or mistakenly or Julie Mugford may have slightly changed her original words for her statement??   

[Jane]

Hi Neil, in her statement of 8th September 1985 Julie Mugford actually said 'at one point I got a pillow and put it over his head' .....  'he asked me why I did it and I said if he were dead he would always be with me.  I had his  car keys so he couldn't go.' 

Jeremy Bamber has always claimed she also said 'If I can't  have you nobody will'  So it may be that Jeremy Bamber may have misquoted deliberately or mistakenly or Julie Mugford may have slightly changed her original words for her statement??   

Thanks for that Maggie. As a proponent of "If I can't have you, no one will" it's good to know that even if Julie didn't say the words, they were said and I didn't just pull them out of the ether. Apologies if I misled anyone.

[maggie]

Hi Neil, in her statement of 8th September 1985 Julie Mugford actually said 'at one point I got a pillow and put it over his head' .....  'he asked me why I did it and I said if he were dead he would always be with me.  I had his  car keys so he couldn't go.' 

Jeremy Bamber has always claimed she also said 'If I can't  have you nobody will'  So it may be that Jeremy Bamber may have misquoted deliberately or mistakenly or Julie Mugford may have slightly changed her original words for her statement??   

Julie Mugford gave evidence in court that at the time of the above incident she knew Jeremy Bamber was guilty but it's obvious to anyone that Julie Mugford was not in the least bit frightened of Jeremy Bamber causing her any harm at that time.  I find this really strange if she knew he had just murdered five people in cold blood? 

[maggie]

Thanks for that Maggie. As a proponent of "If I can't have you, no one will" it's good to know that even if Julie didn't say the words, they were said and I didn't just pull them out of the ether. Apologies if I misled anyone.

No you didn't pull them out of the ether Jeremy claims Julie said those exact words but Julie's recorded  words are slightly different.  It may just be interpretation April??

[Jane]

Julie Mugford gave evidence in court that at the time of the above incident she knew Jeremy Bamber was guilty but it's obvious to anyone that Julie Mugford was not in the least bit frightened of Jeremy Bamber causing her any harm at that time.  I find this really strange if she knew he had just murdered five people in cold blood?

Maggie, I find it equally odd that in her WS she says that because of what had happened, she left Goldhanger on August 27th because she "was too upset to stay" but she hoped the courtship would continue!!!!! THIS from a woman who supposedly KNEW her lover had committed mass murder -her WS is peppered with how she KNEW- but the"hoped the courtship would continue." Strange.

[Jan]

Maggie, I find it equally odd that in her WS she says that because of what had happened, she left Goldhanger on August 27th because she "was too upset to stay" but she hoped the courtship would continue!!!!! THIS from a woman who supposedly KNEW her lover had committed mass murder -her WS is peppered with how she KNEW- but the"hoped the courtship would continue." Strange.

yes I would be interested to read her court transcript when she was cross examined.

[Jane]

yes I would be interested to read her court transcript when she was cross examined.

Wouldn't we all, Jansus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[maggie]

Maggie, I find it equally odd that in her WS she says that because of what had happened, she left Goldhanger on August 27th because she "was too upset to stay" but she hoped the courtship would continue!!!!! THIS from a woman who supposedly KNEW her lover had committed mass murder -her WS is peppered with how she KNEW- but the"hoped the courtship would continue." Strange.

It's another example of mixed messages imo April!!  If these people have agreed to be economical with the truth I wish they'd stick to their story, they are all so bad at it, it's like an amateur production of a 'who done it', unfortunately it had dreadfully serious consequences for Jeremy Bamber.