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Offline scipio_usmc

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Re: What REALLY Convinces You That Jeremy Is Innocent/Guilty?
« Reply #270 on: May 12, 2014, 09:06:PM »


A few posts back, you aimed a broadside at on of my posts in which I said scientific  methods had failed to give conclusive evidence so all we were left with was conjecture, by saying that all conjecture did was convert the ignorant and your preference was to convert the knowledgeable rather that the ignorant because it was a challenge. It seems to me that the above, albeit that it was accepted by the court, is little more than conjecture because it matters not whether we believe Jeremy guilty or innocent, nothing of what you've said in the above is conclusive evidence.

It is not simply conjecture that the phone was removed fromt he bedroom in advance indicating pre-planning.

It is not simply conjecture that the shootings started in the bedrooms and that the killer tried to kill everyone in their beds except Sheila.

It is not simply conjecture that killing Sheila in her bed like the rest would reveal she too was murdered.

It is not simply conjecture that they were killed in bed so that they could put up the least resistance.

It is not conjecture that the killer had to use bullets from elsewhere than the box of ammo in the kitchen.

It is not conjecture that if Sheila had a goal to kill her entire family that she would have to do so while Jeremy was over in order to carry out a complete murder suicide.

There are many other things at play but this is enough to suggest preplanning and intentional execution.

Trying to suggest that the time of day only comports with something Julie would do is nonsense.  It is what someone who wants the easiest execution plan would try.  The claim was made how could Jeremy expect to control the whole family.  The answer is to look at what happened, they were to be killed in bed.  It is in fact a silly question because anyone honest would see the way he would go about it would be to try what happened.

Worse yet this preplanning evidence conflicts with the alleged claim Sheila suddeenly had a crazy episode.
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Re: What REALLY Convinces You That Jeremy Is Innocent/Guilty?
« Reply #271 on: May 12, 2014, 09:21:PM »
come on now children - we are all civilised on here ( well 99% of the time anyway ;D)

But I do think it is best if posters can ask one question at a time so we can post up evidence / documents if possible and opinions if not :-\

Because if you see a huge post covering lots of information it is hard to extract what needs answering .

Good point!

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« Reply #272 on: May 12, 2014, 09:22:PM »

I would think that is common sense? Most burglaries/crimes happen at night - but that does not prove anything?

If you have an episode caused by illness does that only happen in the day?

don't think so.

It is perhaps one of the judges 'curious coincidences' that Sheila had an episode
 at a time when it would most suit Jeremy to committ the massacre. And not be seen.

Thought Sheila would be sleeping. Most people are at that time.
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Re: What REALLY Convinces You That Jeremy Is Innocent/Guilty?
« Reply #273 on: May 12, 2014, 09:22:PM »
This wasn't a pre-planned execution.

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« Reply #274 on: May 12, 2014, 09:37:PM »
This wasn't a pre-planned execution.

The evidence says otherwise.

Ann Eaton indicated Jeremy told he rhe soon would be co-owner of the caravan site with her

Julie provided a long list of times he told he rhe was planning this and even called her each stage right before and after. 

Nevill believed Jeremy was planning to kill him and told the farm secretary.

The time of day is consistent with a pre-planned execution.

The removal of the phone is consistent with a preplanned execution.

There is much more evidence from the removal of the telescopic sights (which would be in the way for close quarter killings) to the box of bullets obviously staged because there is no way 25 bullets could be used from said box and yet 30 remain unless Jesus was multiplying bullets like he did with the fish and loaves of bread. 

Denying the reality of things doesn't change it.

 
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Re: What REALLY Convinces You That Jeremy Is Innocent/Guilty?
« Reply #275 on: May 12, 2014, 09:48:PM »
The evidence says otherwise.

Ann Eaton indicated Jeremy told he rhe soon would be co-owner of the caravan site with her

Julie provided a long list of times he told he rhe was planning this and even called her each stage right before and after. 

Nevill believed Jeremy was planning to kill him and told the farm secretary.


The time of day is consistent with a pre-planned execution.

The removal of the phone is consistent with a preplanned execution.

There is much more evidence from the removal of the telescopic sights (which would be in the way for close quarter killings) to the box of bullets obviously staged because there is no way 25 bullets could be used from said box and yet 30 remain unless Jesus was multiplying bullets like he did with the fish and loaves of bread. 

Denying the reality of things doesn't change it.

I don't think it is fair to use BW's recent claim, she didn't say that the comment related to Jeremy at the time and has recently claimed to have seen the silencer and the blood on it. No one else substantiates her presence when the blood was allegedly spotted.

Also, statements in the archives explain quite clearly what happened to the phones in WHF and as for the silencer, this has to be the most convenient piece of evidence that I have read about in any case.
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Re: What REALLY Convinces You That Jeremy Is Innocent/Guilty?
« Reply #276 on: May 12, 2014, 09:51:PM »
The evidence says otherwise.

Ann Eaton indicated Jeremy told he rhe soon would be co-owner of the caravan site with her

Julie provided a long list of times he told he rhe was planning this and even called her each stage right before and after. 

Nevill believed Jeremy was planning to kill him and told the farm secretary.

The time of day is consistent with a pre-planned execution.

The removal of the phone is consistent with a preplanned execution.

There is much more evidence from the removal of the telescopic sights (which would be in the way for close quarter killings) to the box of bullets obviously staged because there is no way 25 bullets could be used from said box and yet 30 remain unless Jesus was multiplying bullets like he did with the fish and loaves of bread. 

Denying the reality of things doesn't change it.

Jeremy would have taken the kitchen phone off the hook upon entry. This disabled all phones in WHF.

He may have planned to replace the handset if everything had gone according to plan upstairs. But he had to explain Neville being downstairs. So moved the phones around & rang his cottage.

This explains Jeremy saying to the police the line went dead at WHF. He would not know that a BT operative could say that the phone at WHF was never hung up.

'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: What REALLY Convinces You That Jeremy Is Innocent/Guilty?
« Reply #277 on: May 12, 2014, 09:54:PM »
The evidence says otherwise.

Ann Eaton indicated Jeremy told he rhe soon would be co-owner of the caravan site with her

Julie provided a long list of times he told he rhe was planning this and even called her each stage right before and after. 

Nevill believed Jeremy was planning to kill him and told the farm secretary.

The time of day is consistent with a pre-planned execution.

The removal of the phone is consistent with a preplanned execution.

There is much more evidence from the removal of the telescopic sights (which would be in the way for close quarter killings) to the box of bullets obviously staged because there is no way 25 bullets could be used from said box and yet 30 remain unless Jesus was multiplying bullets like he did with the fish and loaves of bread. 

Denying the reality of things doesn't change it.
What? Do you think we were all born yesterday? He said nothing of the kind and nothing of the kind was said in court.

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Re: What REALLY Convinces You That Jeremy Is Innocent/Guilty?
« Reply #278 on: May 12, 2014, 10:12:PM »
come on now children - we are all civilised on here ( well 99% of the time anyway ;D)

But I do think it is best if posters can ask one question at a time so we can post up evidence / documents if possible and opinions if not :-\

Because if you see a huge post covering lots of information it is hard to extract what needs answering .

Well said Jansus, agree 100%
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Re: What REALLY Convinces You That Jeremy Is Innocent/Guilty?
« Reply #279 on: May 12, 2014, 10:13:PM »
I don't think it is fair to use BW's recent claim, she didn't say that the comment related to Jeremy at the time and has recently claimed to have seen the silencer and the blood on it. No one else substantiates her presence when the blood was allegedly spotted.

Also, statements in the archives explain quite clearly what happened to the phones in WHF and as for the silencer, this has to be the most convenient piece of evidence that I have read about in any case.

The phone locations were considered important enough to be discussed at court.

Didn't Neville say he was worried about being killed in a shooting accident ? Surely he did not mean Sheila would be the culprit.
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Re: What REALLY Convinces You That Jeremy Is Innocent/Guilty?
« Reply #280 on: May 12, 2014, 10:15:PM »
Well said Jansus, agree 100%

But it is a good strategy if you want to bombard a board with YOUR opinions and have no intention of listening to others, right?!  8) ;D

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« Reply #281 on: May 12, 2014, 10:16:PM »
The phone locations were considered important enough to be discussed at court.

Didn't Neville say he was worried about being killed in a shooting accident ? Surely he did not mean Sheila would be the culprit.

No, he didn't say that, he said 'it's almost shooting season' and that is only according to BW who has made some very odd claims and not just about Jeremy.
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« Reply #282 on: May 12, 2014, 10:17:PM »
But it is a good strategy if you want to bombard a board with YOUR opinions and have no intention of listening to others, right?!  8) ;D

Right!  ;D ;D
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Re: What REALLY Convinces You That Jeremy Is Innocent/Guilty?
« Reply #283 on: May 12, 2014, 10:40:PM »
Well if you want to live with your head in the sand by all means do so.  I chose not to.

You can pretend that killing people as they sleep is not a sign of premedicated execution.  Experts disagree and the statistical evidence is on their side not yours.
No I choose not to accept your drivel. Study the case for a few more years then come back and make some sensible statements. That might help. Right now it appears that you believe only that light that seeps through the chinks in your own roof and treat everybody else here who have studied the case for years as idiots because they don't accept your twisted analysis of the situation.

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Re: What REALLY Convinces You That Jeremy Is Innocent/Guilty?
« Reply #284 on: May 12, 2014, 10:42:PM »
Good point.

An execution by Jeremy  could only really happen late at night.

It is less likely everyone will be in WHF at the same time during the day. If they are they will all be awake. Jeremy & ten bullets against five wide awake people is less likely to succeed. Also witnesses such as farm workers may put Jeremy at the scene. Certainly he could not claim he was at home sleeping like a log.

Sheila could have an episode at any time. But did it late at night/early morning . Coincidence ?
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