Jeremy DID NOT stage manage Sheila's body in master bedroom

[tyler]

He just simply could not have. There is irrefutable proof that Sheila was in the kitchen both BEFORE and AFTER the raid team entered the house. She was seen by an officer,through the kitchen window before entry. The officer specifically mentions a female,and I'm sure he was intelligent enough to know the difference. Police logs,not shown at trial and with held until EP were forced to release by a court,clearly state that one male and one female were found in kitchen upon entry. Another log describes them as a 'murder' and a 'suicide'. We now know,from Davidson's COLP interview that a weapon was found downstairs with red paint upon its barrel and this was the reason that samples were originally taken from the aga surround. For Sheila to be described as a 'suicide' at this point  obviously had sustained at least one of her gunshot wounds. If we assume that she was not dead at this point we could assume that she was either in shock OR in a catatonic state (which is related to psychosis) and could very well have 'appeared' dead. At this point,I want to say that it is my opinion that Sheila was found in the area of the bloodied hand print on the worktop. I believe this because there was a fair amount of blood on the floor found there which is not common knowledge,and if the bloodied hand print was Nevill's, I believe EP would have said so. If they admitted it was Sheila's,this would place her in the kitchen at some point,which was a fact that they were anxious to deny. Somehow,Sheila ended up being photographed dead in a position that suggested suicide,in the master bedroom. Now,we know that Jeremy could NOT have possibly been responsible for this stage managing of Sheila's body as she was initially found in the kitchen. Logically,how could Sheila's have got from the kitchen to the bedroom? Well,there are only two ways. Either she took herself there OR she was carried there. By the training raid team maybe? Which of the two is more likely,(bearing in mind an officer heard a noise upstairs and called up to Sheila and that a gun spotted in a window by an officer was not found there by the raid team) and what do members suppose could have logically happened next?   

[tyler]

Okay. There doesn't appear to be any blood trails down Sheila's nightdress to suggest that she stood up. With her hand over the wound and some time passing,could the blood in the wound have congealed and ceased running,allowing Sheila to take herself upstairs?

[Adam]

Not the two bodies in the kitchen again.

PC Collins peered inside and reported seeing the body of a woman.The door gave way when PC Woodcock pounded it several times with the sledgehammer. As the armed officer led the others into the property, he turned into the kitchen and saw the same person witnessed by Collins, obviously dead. In fact it was not a woman but 61-year old Nevill Bamber. The log reporter miles away put one dead male & one dead female in the kitchen.

Jeremy jumped on this years later. Just as he did with the phone conversation log.

[tyler]

And how do you suppose that officers could describe Nevill as a 'murder' AND a 'suicide'? Was this a mistake too? Silly incompetent policemen!!

[susan]

Morning tyler

what a brilliant post you are an asset to this forum.x

[Roch]

Not the two bodies in the kitchen again.

PC Collins peered inside and reported seeing the body of a woman.The door gave way when PC Woodcock pounded it several times with the sledgehammer. As the armed officer led the others into the property, he turned into the kitchen and saw the same person witnessed by Collins, obviously dead. In fact it was not a woman but 61-year old Nevill Bamber. The log reporter miles away put one dead male & one dead female in the kitchen.

Jeremy jumped on this years later. Just as he did with the phone conversation log.

This can be taken apart.

[Jan]

Not the two bodies in the kitchen again.

PC Collins peered inside and reported seeing the body of a woman.The door gave way when PC Woodcock pounded it several times with the sledgehammer. As the armed officer led the others into the property, he turned into the kitchen and saw the same person witnessed by Collins, obviously dead. In fact it was not a woman but 61-year old Nevill Bamber. The log reporter miles away put one dead male & one dead female in the kitchen.

Jeremy jumped on this years later. Just as he did with the phone conversation log.

And the three bodies upstairs? What is our explanation for that ? Surely if your first post is right it should have been four.

[Jan]

And the three bodies upstairs? What is our explanation for that ? Surely if your first post is right it should have been four.

Adam ? just checking - should the police have used a calculator???

[tyler]

Yes,the "further 3 bodies found upstairs". I believe this was around 20 minutes after the first 'two' bodies were found upon entry? I cannot look at the logs at moment as not on a pc. Raid team had open mic's. I personally cannot see how this error could have been made.

[Jan]

According to the logs

7.37  two bodies in kitchen
8.10 three bodies upstairs.

I must admit That does not make sense- why would it take them that long to  go upstairs.

It is difficult to read all the logs but that is what it looks like.

[tyler]

Thank you Jansus. So even worse - a 33 minute delay? 33 minutes to search the ground floor when they are said to have considered it a hostage situation and so they obviously would want to locate Sheila quickly and most important of all,check on the welfare of the children. But it took them 33 minutes to do this? Sorry,but I don't buy it! Something obviously went very badly wrong imo.

[lookout]

They were all scared sh1tless,,that's what was wrong. One guy wet himself when the figure appeared at the window. These were grown men---------------in the police force,who were supposedly trained to face any eventuality,,not waste time then blame someone else because of their shortcomings.

[Alias]

All very strange and never properly explained in my opinion. Never thought about the delay going upstairs before - it is massive.
WTF was going on in that house that morning....

[Jan]

All very strange and never properly explained in my opinion. Never thought about the delay going upstairs before - it is massive.
WTF was going on in that house that morning....

check the logs in the archive to make sure I have read it correctly - but there do appear to be two versions.

[Alias]

check the logs in the archive to make sure I have read it correctly - but there do appear to be two versions.

OK, I will when I can. If it is hand-written I may give up. It is very hard for me to read, English obviously not my first language, and then having to guess what words are "probably" used. I almost always give up on those, unless the handwriting is clear and readable!