what new evidence?

[Adam]

I think he deliberately taunts with his sarcastic comments in order for us to rise to the bait. His comments to Grahame were just as bad. I know I am not stupid so if we all end up not responding to his posts because he is rude then that's his loss as far as I am concerned. I get more upset when he is disrespectful to Sheila to be honest - because whatever the outcome she was vey ill and unable to answer for herself. When he does that it is really low in my opinion.

When have I been disrespectful to Sheila ? I think she is innocent.

[Adam]

I can not see what is wrong with any of MY comments Adam . I repeat if the police went in on familiars or training whilst the bodies were still in there then the crime scene was not forensically checked properly or preserved end of argument. If the Jury were not aware of that then it is NEW evidence and therefore my comment is relevant to the thread.

When was this training ? Half an hour after the Jeremy had annonced he was starving & cooked himself a nice brekkie ? Or after forensics, photographers & the pathologist had done their job.

The jury were well aware the police changed their minds after one month. Something they are perfectly entitled to do. The judge said they believed it was murder/suicide because they had been convincingly lead in that direction by Jeremy.

The police mistskes benefitted Jeremy. Important evidence was disposed of, upon Jeremys request according to Jim Shellys article. Jeremy was not forensically checked for one month.

[Adam]

Think the actual quote was "Firearms team are in conversation with someone inside the farm". The big question is,did they mean "farm" or "farmhouse"? Goodnight Alias x

Jeremys supporters are as bad as Jeremy. Claiming there were conversations between Sheila & the police. 

But surely they won't claim the police took photos of themselves urinating outside, putting up bizarre banners & putting the bodies of dead people in lewd positions.

Or will they ?

[Adam]

Shortly before 05.25, a challenge was issued using a loudhailer to anyone inside the property.

The wireless operator, miles away pre-empted events and recorded “Firearms team are in conversation with a person inside the farm”. However, the call to persons inside met only with silence. The wireless operator updated the log at 05.29 – “From CA7 – Challenge to persons inside house met with no response”.

What’s curious is that although Jeremy was present at the time, he never suggested that officers were speaking to his sister until years later when he obtained a copy of the wireless log.

Jeremy was either outside directing everyone, seeing moving bodies or drawing plans of WHF. Or he was remarkedly calm sitting inside a car. He would have been told straight away if Sheila was shouting through the window. Or he would have heard her doing it.

[tyler]

The photographs exist Adam. The IIPC,CCRC etc have seen them. The officers involved were granted dispensation,probably because they are now retired. Retired coppers are immune from investigation which is why so many retire when the sh*t hits the fan. Like one of the Bamber coppers did when COLP began their investigations. Was it Stan Jones?

[susan]

Adam  I have read remarks made by you about Sheila which are disrespectful i.e did she make Jeremy a hot chocolate, did she make Jeremy a cheese and pickle sandwich.  Your problem is you do not know the difference between respectful and disrespectful and the only excuse I can give for your behaviour is you are very young and immature and have not yet grown up.

[Jane]

Jeremys supporters are as bad as Jeremy. Claiming there were conversations between Sheila & the police. 

But surely they won't claim the police took photos of themselves urinating outside, putting up bizarre banners & putting the bodies of dead people in lewd positions.

Or will they ?

This post, from a somewhat unexpected source has jogged my memory back to things I was told about which had occurred in the 60's/70's at a time when MOST police forces, including Essex, to whom I refer, were primarily Boys' Clubs and where there are Boys' Clubs, there too, is a strong element of pushing themselves and their comrades to ever further limits.

I could go into detail about what I was told was done with a head which had become separated, as the result of an accident, from it's body. I could do the same of what I was told a group of homophobes did to a known homosexual when they took him into custody. I could tell you what I was told they did to a father suspected of impregnating his three daughters when they'd escorted him to the police vehicle after they'd arrested him. They believed they were entitled. They believed they had the right. They believed that the uniform protected them, which hardly counted because there was no one save their victim to witness what had taken place.

I wonder just how much -LITTLE- has changed in 50 odd years. What HASN'T is herd mentality and the adage that "Boys WILL be boys".

[susan]

Morning april

interesting post.  I suspect police officers who carry out vile acts on suspects in their custody would be like that outwith the uniform the uniform just gives them the opportunity to be "themselves" and are protected from prosecution.  This will still be happening because a persons inner self cannot be seen from the outside at the onset.  Disgraceful individuals suppose to set an example.

[lookout]

Have we all seen the news about the Met again ? Shredding and burning evidence in the Stephen Lawrence murder ? Familiar,,isn't it ? How dare they !

[lookout]

Adam you are a very modest young lad by the sound of it

He's a big-head Susan,,which,one of these days,will be his downfall.I can promise you that.
 I've met these " know-alls " before. Think of the phrase," empty vessels ",and there you have it. Like a politician-----full of hot air.

[Jane]

Morning april

interesting post.  I suspect police officers who carry out vile acts on suspects in their custody would be like that outwith the uniform the uniform just gives them the opportunity to be "themselves" and are protected from prosecution.  This will still be happening because a persons inner self cannot be seen from the outside at the onset.  Disgraceful individuals suppose to set an example.

Susan, I suspect that certain types will always be drawn to those who will allow then to wield power over them, be it partner or employee. It is also a given, that whilst there ARE those who join the force or other institutions for altruistic reasons, there are those who join because they think it gives them power over others weaker than themselves.

It MAY be that they found overwhelming the enormity of what faced them at WHF and in letting off steam things got out of hand. The guy who told me the story of "the head" said what he did had saved his sanity. I think what I'm trying to make clear is that what EVER the uniform, inappropriate/unacceptable behaviour HAPPENS.

[susan]

lookout heard that on the news today getting rid of a lorry load of evidence how much longer are they going to be allowed to get away with this

[susan]

lookout don't forget by his own admission he has big green eyes bet he has a gob to match

[lookout]

lookout don't forget by his own admission he has big green eyes bet he has a gob to match

Big green eyes to match his teeth,you mean,Susan.

[Adam]

Big green eyes to match his teeth,you mean,Susan.

Big teeth to bite you're nose.