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Offline mike tesko

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The boot is now on the other foot - since, if the blood evidence found in the silencer was sufficient to prove that Sheila did not kill herself, then its presence inside a silencer belonging to the relatives makes just as strong a case for one or more of the relatives to have killed Sheila (if we go down the road that police hadn't killed her). How did Sheila's unique blood get inside a silencer (DB/1) belonging to one of the relatives?
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I would imagine that the remaining relatives, will not be queing up to volunteer that the silencer (DB/1) with Sheila's blood found inside it, belongs to them - suddenly they will be crying out from the rooftops, that it belongs to Robert Boutflour, and it was his doing..
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For the sake of any doubt, silencer DB/1, was not the same silencer found at the scene by David Boutflour, which his sister Ann Eaton gave to police on 11th September 1985. What this means, is that Jeremy Bamber has been framed for the murders by a reliance of blood from Sheila being inside a silencer which belonged to the Bamber family, when all along the damning blood evidence was found inside a silencer belonging to one of the relatives, who just so happens to have had the same blood groups as Sheila Caffell...

He also was the person who promoted the idea that a silencer was used in the shootings...
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It can also now be confirmed, that the silencer handed to police by Ann Eaton on 11th September, was not coated in white superglue residue, which coated the other silebcer exposed to super glue treatment by 'Ron' Cook, on 23rd August 1985. This is because had possession of a different silencer on that date, than the one handed to police by Ann Eaton, 19 days later...

One silencer - coated in super glue residue (23rd August)

One silencer - residue free (11th September)

BINGO...
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If this information had been available to Bambers legal team at the time of the trial, the prosecutions case would have clearly been rejected...
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What I don't quite understand is if everything the police did is even worse that first thought and a lot of people were aware of that , then why did they just not convince the family it was murder suicide ? because surely that would have covered up everything they did and been less risky?

thinking of you and your wife BTW . Sounds like you are going through a really rough time

Jan

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What I don't quite understand is if everything the police did is even worse that first thought and a lot of people were aware of that , then why did they just not convince the family it was murder suicide ? because surely that would have covered up everything they did and been less risky?

thinking of you and your wife BTW . Sounds like you are going through a really rough time

Jan

Hi jansus,

at first, police decided to treat the case as four murders and a suicide, Jeremy had no involvement in that first approach. It's all nonsense that Jeremy fooled the police into taking that stance. How such a young person fool very senior detectives into thinking it was a murder suicide matter, beggars belief? No, police decided to take that approach because the evidence they found indicated that Sheila had probably shot and killed the other four victims, or at least she had intended too. As for her own death, she may well have intended to take her own life, but the truth was and is that she did not. She died inside whf after the raid team smashed their way into the premises, and Sheila was initially shot across the neck by a police officer as he was squeezing through a small gap in the internal kitchen door. After this event, police inside the premises reported they had found two bodies upon entering the kitchen, the body of one dead male and one dead female. Proof that this is what happened is confirmed by further messages passed from the scene, for senior officers, the police surgeon and the coroners officer should be notified about the discovery of two bodies. Additionally, the control room contacted SOC at home, requesting them to attend the office because police at whf were dealing with a murder, and a suicide. Very shortly afterwards, another message passed from inside the farmhouse by police, that a further three bodies had been found upstairs, and that there were now five dead bodies in total - Jeremy had no control over what police inside the farmhouse spoke about in these radio messages, and if on the off chance he did know (because he was the killer), surely by the time the matter came to trial, and police were saying only one body had been found downstairs, and the other four bodies found upstairs by police, he would have known that there had been displacement of a female body from the kitchen to the bedroom, and that Sheila had not been dead when he stage managed her body in the kitchen with only a solitary wound to her throat...

He would almost certainly have based his defense during the trial around these circumstances...

But, the defense he ran at trial was that 'the blood in the silencer was an intimate mixture of his parents blood', not unique to his sister, Sheila...

Forgotten, was the fact that whilst sitting in a police vehicle parked up in pages lane, how upon being told that all his family were dead inside the farmhouse, Jeremy blurted out that the police who had gone into the farmhouse had shot and killed everyone - this complaint was never investigated, nor did the jury hear about it, and the circumstances in which the complaint had been made. Jeremy himself had seen the silhouette of a live person moving around in the bedroom from the vantage point of the grounds in the company of two police officers, and earlier his father had called him to alert him to the ongoing events at the farm. Couple this with the fact that for over four hours someone who was still alive inside the farmhouse was keeping police at bay and preventing them from making an approach to premises - all these things must have led Jeremy to believe that when police went into the building that nobody had by that stage been shot or killed...

The police did not investigate Jeremys complaint that police had shot and killed his family...

Unbeknown to Jeremy, at that stage police had been passing or had passed key radio messages from inside the premises, that two bodies had been found upon entry, the body of one dead male, and the body of one dead female. Senior officers had been notified, along with a police surgeon and the coroners officer, that two bodies had been found, and SOCO were requested to attend the office because police were dealing with an incident at whf which involved a murder, and a suicide - now, if two dead bodies had been found downstairs upon entry, one dead male, and one dead female, one a murder, and the other a suicide, how is it that the only victim (Sheila) who could have committed suicide in the circumstances of this investigation, later ended up dead suspected of committing suicide upstairs in the main bedroom. How could Sheila be declared dead downstairs having committed suicide before police entered the farmhouse, and then somehow end up in the main bedroom upstairs, again having committed suicide? How could Jeremy Bamber possibly have killed his sister upstairs in the bedroom, if he had killed her downstairs in the kitchen, and she had received the second shot under the chin upstairs in the bedroom after police had already entered the premises. If this is what did happen, who shot Sheila upstairs in the main bedroom? It couldn't have been Jeremy, because he was sat in a police car with a police officer at the time police forced their way into the farmhouse, and found two bodies in the kitchen upon entry...

How was it possible, for Jeremy to know that Sheila's body had moved from its original position in the kitchen downstairs, to the main bedroom upstairs, or even that she had ended up with two bullet wounds in her throat, to enable him to make a complaint to a police officer who was sat in the patrol car with him, that he believed the police who had gone into the farmhouse with guns, had shot everybody dead - you see, somebody shot Sheila at least once on this explanation after the armed police forced their way into the building, so surely there would need to be an investigation into the complaint made by Jeremy that police had shot and killed his family? Somebody shot Sheila in the bedroom, and that person was not, and could not have been Jeremy...

Linked to this matter, is the question of which gun was used to inflict the initial shot downstairs in the kitchen into and across Sheila's throat, if the gun which was later designated to be the weapon which had fired all the shots that had killed everyone, was spotted leaning up against the main bedroom window, if Sheila was found with a shot in her neck, and she had committed suicide downstairs in the kitchen? How could she have committed suicide downstairs in the kitchen, with a gun that was leaning up against the main bedroom window upstairs? So, which gun fired the initial shot across her neck, since it would have been impossible for the rifle leaning against the bedroom window upstairs to be the gun that was used to do the deed...

And, why did police later feel the need to swap over that particular crime scene bullet (initial shot across Sheila's throat) PV/20, which was proven to be a badly fragmented bullet at autopsy, by replacing it with a whole control bullet fired through the gun in an 'unofficial test fire' of control ammunition?

Other events which Jeremy could not possibly have had any knowledge about involved the introduction into the scene by further firearms officers who would become engaged in 'INFORMATIVES', which took place with a view of doing a reconstruction of the first entry to get into the premises. Jeremy could not possibly have known that police were doing a reconstruction with the bodies of the victims displaced in different parts of the farmhouse, than the bodies had originally be found located by the first group of firearms officers - there had been a transformation of bodies, which started off with, two bodies downstairs, three bodies upstairs, (entry at 7.30am), turning into one body downstairs, four bodies upstairs (entry at 9am). Additionally, Jeremy could not possibly have known that the position of 'COMMANDER' of the firearms operation at the scene, had been allocated to PS ADAMS at the time of the first entry (7.30am), whilst PI MONTGOMERY was the 'COMMANDER' of the operation, at the time 'FORMALITIES' commenced (9.00am)...

This change in position of dead bodies inside the house, from one scenario to the other, was very problematic to the police investigation, and it was because of these reasons that police chose to proceed with the case being one of fours murders and a suicide, it was not Jeremy who fooled the police into taking this approach...

Another factor, which later came into play, once relatives started poking their noses into the case, was that the relatives themselves were gun enthusiasts (Anthony Pargeter, David Boutflour, Ann Eaton, Robert Boutflour), and at least one of them was a firearms dealer (Peter Eaton). So, it would only have been a matter of time, before the relatives would find out that more than one gun had fired all the bullets which were being said had been shot during the incident. Since, the sole murder qweapoin was supposed to have been the family owned anshulz, .22 semi-automatic rifle, but how was it possible for .223 rounds and possibly a larger calibre bullet to have been fired through that weapon?

Police had to tamper with the batch of crime scene ammunition to try and keep the relatives from discovering the truth about what really took place inside whf once armed police entered (twice)...
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Not to be overlooked, was that there were two 'test fire' exercises carried out during this investigation, and that both took place once the nature of the investigation altered from four murders and a suicide, into five murders...

It looks like there was no attempt to tamper with the crime scene ammunition whilst the investigation proceeded as four murders and a suicide, and this may have been because of the influence of high ranking police officers who were at the heart of the investigation, and cover up, who had influence over others employed in prominent jobs elsewhere...

Yet, once the nature of the investigation altered (five murders), police suddenly extract 14 crime scene bullet cases, and replace them with 14 Eley bullet cases fired through the anshulz rifle during unreported test firing of the gun. This substitution process was designed to create the impression that only one gun had fired all 25 shots during the incident, when only 9/10 or 10//11 had actually been discharged up to the point when police entered the farmhouse by force...

Once police took this approach, there was no turning back for the police, they were committed to the cover up approach...
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Not to be overlooked, was that there were two 'test fire' exercises carried out during this investigation, and that both took place once the nature of the investigation altered from four murders and a suicide, into five murders...

It looks like there was no attempt to tamper with the crime scene ammunition whilst the investigation proceeded as four murders and a suicide, and this may have been because of the influence of high ranking police officers who were at the heart of the investigation, and cover up, who had influence over others employed in prominent jobs elsewhere...

Yet, once the nature of the investigation altered (five murders), police suddenly extract 14 crime scene bullet cases, and replace them with 14 Eley bullet cases fired through the anshulz rifle during unreported test firing of the gun. This substitution process was designed to create the impression that only one gun had fired all 25 shots during the incident, when only 9/10 or 10//11 had actually been discharged up to the point when police entered the farmhouse by force...

Once police took this approach, there was no turning back for the police, they were committed to the cover up approach...

The 'second test fire' of control ammunition took place between 20th September 1985 and 2nd October 1985, but only 27 of the 29 control rounds were accounted for...
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There were three differently sized bullet entry wound holes recorded in the bodies of the five deceased during autopsy, (Ralph, Sheila), 7th August 1985, and (June , Daniel, Nicholas), 8th August 1985:-

 (a) - 3/16ths

(b) - 1/4 inch

(c) - 1/2 inch
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Why did police swap over the 14 crime scene batch of bullet cases, with 14 others obtained through test firing control ammunition via the anshulz rifle...
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Why did police swap over the 14 crime scene batch of bullet cases, with 14 others obtained through test firing control ammunition via the anshulz rifle...

The original 14 bullet cases are currently retained at Huntingdon forensic laboratory under the identifying mark of MDF/100...
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So, we have this anomaly involving bullet cases in the investigation - 14 bullet cases which originally belonged to the original batch of crime scene ammunition (MDF/100) which were swapped over with 14 other bullet cases manufactured by ELEY, which were obtained during unreported test firing of the anshulz rifle with control ammunition, after the shootings...

Linked to this, is the fact that we have a total of 12 bullets, which are either too heavy or too light to be Eley .22 subsonic hollow point bullets, at a ratio of 7 to 5...

Of the other 13 bullets, 9 were described as nearly whole in appearance, another three as being fragments of a bullet, and one half of a bullet...
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So, we have this anomaly involving bullet cases in the investigation - 14 bullet cases which originally belonged to the original batch of crime scene ammunition (MDF/100) which were swapped over with 14 other bullet cases manufactured by ELEY, which were obtained during unreported test firing of the anshulz rifle with control ammunition, after the shootings...

Linked to this, is the fact that we have a total of 12 bullets, which are either too heavy or too light to be Eley .22 subsonic hollow point bullets, at a ratio of 7 to 5...

Of the other 13 bullets, 9 were described as nearly whole in appearance, another three as being fragments of a bullet, and one half of a bullet...

Bullet PV/20, the original being described as a badly fragmented bullet recovered from Sheila's neck during autopsy performed on 7th August 1985, mysteriously became transformed into a whole bullet by 20th September 1985 - the description of the original badly fragmented bullet (PV/20) and the corresponding whole bullet that replaced it, are referred to somewhere in the above two paragraphs...
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The way I see it, you have this discrepancy, between the 12 whole bullets which are either too heavy or too light to have been the right type of ammunition fired through the anshulz rifle during the shootings, with one of these 12 whole bullets, being the replaced PV/20, so the true figure should be 11 whole bullets, since the original PV/20 was badly fragmented, which alters the ratio to 11 whole bullets, plus 9 nearly whole bullets, 4 fragmented bullets and one half a bullet...

Provisional Ratio:-

12 whole bullets
09 nearly whole bullets
03 fragments of bullet
01 half a bullet

Original PV/20 (badly fragmented bullet, Sheila Caffell) swapped with a whole test fire round via anshulz rifle using control ammunition, has to be taken into consideration...

11 whole bullets
09 nearly whole bullets
04 fragments of bullet
01 half a bullet

Ratio alters from 12 whole plus 13 others, into 11 whole, plus 14 others...

This fits in snugly with the 14 bullet cases which police swapped over (MDF/100), by substituting them with 14 bullet cases obtained as a result of an unreported test fire of control ammunition, designed to make a case for the same gun (anshulz) firing all 25 bullets...
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